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My guest tonight, he represents Queens
My
guest
tonight
he
represents
Queens
in the New York State Assembly and he is
in
the
New
York
State
Assembly
and
he
is
the Democratic nominee for mayor of New
the
Democratic
nominee
for
mayor
of
New
York City. Please welcome to the show,
York
City
Please
welcome
to
the
show
Zoran Mandani.
Zoran
Mandani
They're
They're
very nice. They're very nice.
very
nice
They're
very
nice
>> This is it. This is These are the people
>>
This
is
it
This
is
These
are
the
people
you would like to represent.
you
would
like
to
represent
>> Yes.
>>
Yes
>> The New York City people.
>>
The
New
York
City
people
>> I'm curious about that. You know, I had
>>
I'm
curious
about
that
You
know
I
had
spoken with you months ago and I I felt
spoken
with
you
months
ago
and
I
I
felt
a real love that you had uh for New York
a
real
love
that
you
had
uh
for
New
York
City. Uh, now that you've gotten to know
City
Uh
now
that
you've
gotten
to
know
us,
us
>> still there.
>>
still
there
>> Still love it.
>>
Still
love
it
>> Really?
>>
Really
>> Still love this. All of it. All of it.
>>
Still
love
this
All
of
it
All
of
it
All of it.
All
of
it
>> All of it.
>>
All
of
it
>> What do you got now? You got You got
>>
What
do
you
got
now
You
got
You
got
three days, four days. Is that
three
days
four
days
Is
that
>> We've got about eight days left.
>>
We've
got
about
eight
days
left
>> Eight days.
>>
Eight
days
>> Eight days left.
>>
Eight
days
left
>> And And what is that uh in that moment?
>>
And
And
what
is
that
uh
in
that
moment
Do you do you have to keep what do you
Do
you
do
you
have
to
keep
what
do
you
think you need to do to close the deal
think
you
need
to
do
to
close
the
deal
to uh uh keep this? You are clearly
to
uh
uh
keep
this
You
are
clearly
right now in the front running position.
right
now
in
the
front
running
position
I can tell because they've gone 9/11 on
I
can
tell
because
they've
gone
9/11
on
you.
you
So that's clearly uh a sign of
So
that's
clearly
uh
a
sign
of
>> a closing argument.
>>
a
closing
argument
>> A closing argument. 911.
>>
A
closing
argument
911
>> Uh so what what do you feel like you've
>>
Uh
so
what
what
do
you
feel
like
you've
got to do to close the deal with New
got
to
do
to
close
the
deal
with
New
York citizens?
York
citizens
>> You know, it is in many ways the same
>>
You
know
it
is
in
many
ways
the
same
thing that got us here, which is
thing
that
got
us
here
which
is
canvasing.
canvasing
>> Oh, really? You know, for all of the
>>
Oh
really
You
know
for
all
of
the
focus on on rallies, on commercials, on
focus
on
on
rallies
on
commercials
on
debates, it really comes back to people
debates
it
really
comes
back
to
people
speaking to other New Yorkers about the
speaking
to
other
New
Yorkers
about
the
city that we all love. We have 90,000
city
that
we
all
love
We
have
90000
volunteers right now
volunteers
right
now
>> on your campaign.
>>
on
your
campaign
>> Our campaign
>>
Our
campaign
>> 90,000
>>
90000
>> and and it's it's 90,000 people who are
>>
and
and
it's
it's
90000
people
who
are
picking up the phone banking someone
picking
up
the
phone
banking
someone
that they don't know. 90,000 people who
that
they
don't
know
90000
people
who
have knocked on a door of a New Yorker
have
knocked
on
a
door
of
a
New
Yorker
they've never met. 90,000 people who
they've
never
met
90000
people
who
just
just
wait for 15 seconds.
wait
for
15
seconds
>> No, I listen and hope
>>
No
I
listen
and
hope
>> what someone will open love more than
>>
what
someone
will
open
love
more
than
anything,
anything
>> it's strangers coming to the door.
>>
it's
strangers
coming
to
the
door
>> Yes.
>>
Yes
>> Or calling them.
>>
Or
calling
them
>> Yes.
>>
Yes
You know, I think this is the thing is
You
know
I
think
this
is
the
thing
is
that for for people that we're often
that
for
for
people
that
we're
often
characterized as as being rude, I will
characterized
as
as
being
rude
I
will
tell you that New Yorkers have been so
tell
you
that
New
Yorkers
have
been
so
kind in in the experiences they've had
kind
in
in
the
experiences
they've
had
with our volunteers because what they're
with
our
volunteers
because
what
they're
speaking to is another New Yorker,
speaking
to
is
another
New
Yorker
right?
right
>> And it's an understanding that politics
>>
And
it's
an
understanding
that
politics
is not something you have, it's
is
not
something
you
have
it's
something that you do. And in this
something
that
you
do
And
in
this
moment where politics has become just
moment
where
politics
has
become
just
another word for division for not just
another
word
for
division
for
not
just
Republicans but also Democrats,
Republicans
but
also
Democrats
>> these New Yorkers are ones who've
>>
these
New
Yorkers
are
ones
who've
understood that you never hate someone
understood
that
you
never
hate
someone
more than before you know them.
more
than
before
you
know
them
>> Right.
>>
Right
>> And knocking on that door, having that
>>
And
knocking
on
that
door
having
that
conversation doesn't just win the
conversation
doesn't
just
win
the
election for us. It also starts to build
election
for
us
It
also
starts
to
build
the city that we want to leave.
the
city
that
we
want
to
leave
>> What's the kind of feedback that you get
>>
What's
the
kind
of
feedback
that
you
get
from your volunteers in the field? And
from
your
volunteers
in
the
field
And
and what about for you campus? cuz I
and
what
about
for
you
campus
cuz
I
have to tell you one of the most I
have
to
tell
you
one
of
the
most
I
thought shrewdest
thought
shrewdest
campaign moves and this was in the
campaign
moves
and
this
was
in
the
primary not in the in the general is
primary
not
in
the
in
the
general
is
when you walked from the top of
when
you
walked
from
the
top
of
Manhattan all the way down uh to the
Manhattan
all
the
way
down
uh
to
the
bottom
bottom
>> and just and and met people. You've got
>>
and
just
and
and
met
people
You've
got
to be very confident in yourself to do
to
be
very
confident
in
yourself
to
do
that because New Yorkers will generally
that
because
New
Yorkers
will
generally
tell you what they think.
tell
you
what
they
think
>> Yes.
>>
Yes
>> Yes. when they see you
>>
Yes
when
they
see
you
>> and even when they are telling you
>>
and
even
when
they
are
telling
you
something that's technically supportive,
something
that's
technically
supportive
it sounds like you're being heckled.
it
sounds
like
you're
being
heckled
>> I was I was uh
>>
I
was
I
was
uh
>> that is that is what we do.
>>
that
is
that
is
what
we
do
>> I was I was on Norav a few days ago and
>>
I
was
I
was
on
Norav
a
few
days
ago
and
this woman just pulled up in her car.
this
woman
just
pulled
up
in
her
car
She was like, "I'm voting for you."
She
was
like
I'm
voting
for
you
>> I was like I was like I don't
>>
I
was
like
I
was
like
I
don't
Thank you. It just sounded like I was
Thank
you
It
just
sounded
like
I
was
about to get my ass whooped, but it was
about
to
get
my
ass
whooped
but
it
was
by my voter. So,
by
my
voter
So
>> it was a
>>
it
was
a
>> And New Yorkers, by the way, no one will
>>
And
New
Yorkers
by
the
way
no
one
will
be as mad at you if it doesn't go right
be
as
mad
at
you
if
it
doesn't
go
right
as the people who love you. Now,
as
the
people
who
love
you
Now
>> have you felt that as well?
>>
have
you
felt
that
as
well
>> You know, it's it's often framed as a
>>
You
know
it's
it's
often
framed
as
a
burden or as an obligation,
burden
or
as
an
obligation
>> right?
>>
right
>> But frankly, I think it's an
>>
But
frankly
I
think
it's
an
opportunity. It's an opportunity to
opportunity
It's
an
opportunity
to
actually show that this whole campaign
actually
show
that
this
whole
campaign
where we've talked about freezing the
where
we've
talked
about
freezing
the
rent, making buses faster, free
rent
making
buses
faster
free
delivering universal childare, these are
delivering
universal
childare
these
are
not just slogans,
not
just
slogans
>> right?
>>
right
>> These are commitments and when we
>>
These
are
commitments
and
when
we
deliver them here in New York City, it
deliver
them
here
in
New
York
City
it
will be also the delivery of a politics
will
be
also
the
delivery
of
a
politics
that can actually aspire for more than
that
can
actually
aspire
for
more
than
what you're living through. And for so
what
you're
living
through
And
for
so
many people across the city, politics
many
people
across
the
city
politics
has just become synonymous with an
has
just
become
synonymous
with
an
argument of celebrate the little you
argument
of
celebrate
the
little
you
have or lose that,
have
or
lose
that
>> right?
>>
right
>> And it can't be that zero sum.
>>
And
it
can't
be
that
zero
sum
>> It can't be. Do you have a a Mandani
>>
It
can't
be
Do
you
have
a
a
Mandani
hierarchy of needs? You know, I lived in
hierarchy
of
needs
You
know
I
lived
in
this city for a very long time.
this
city
for
a
very
long
time
>> Yeah.
>>
Yeah
>> And I can tell you livability
>>
And
I
can
tell
you
livability
>> is
>>
is
if you can run this place, you will earn
if
you
can
run
this
place
you
will
earn
uh a great deal of leeway to do all
uh
a
great
deal
of
leeway
to
do
all
kinds of innovative things. But if
kinds
of
innovative
things
But
if
people feel disorder,
people
feel
disorder
>> man, you won't be able to do. And I've
>>
man
you
won't
be
able
to
do
And
I've
lived through the eras of New York where
lived
through
the
eras
of
New
York
where
it was uh disorder
it
was
uh
disorder
>> and it it does make it people feel it.
>>
and
it
it
does
make
it
people
feel
it
>> I mean looks public safety is the
>>
I
mean
looks
public
safety
is
the
prerequisite for an affordability
prerequisite
for
an
affordability
agenda.
agenda
>> Job one,
>>
Job
one
>> right? People have to be safe. And we
>>
right
People
have
to
be
safe
And
we
also know that safety is something that
also
know
that
safety
is
something
that
you not only deliver with the NYPD, it's
you
not
only
deliver
with
the
NYPD
it's
also something that you deliver by
also
something
that
you
deliver
by
ensuring that there are actually jobs
ensuring
that
there
are
actually
jobs
that can pay people enough to stay in
that
can
pay
people
enough
to
stay
in
this city. All of these things are
this
city
All
of
these
things
are
integrated.
integrated
>> Tell me that last part again.
>>
Tell
me
that
last
part
again
No, but you know to
No
but
you
know
to
today I was I was taking the one train
today
I
was
I
was
taking
the
one
train
downtown with a reporter from ABC and we
downtown
with
a
reporter
from
ABC
and
we
were having a conversation and we walk
were
having
a
conversation
and
we
walk
on the train and there's a homeless man
on
the
train
and
there's
a
homeless
man
sleeping on the train and for all
sleeping
on
the
train
and
for
all
>> was he with the Cuomo campaign?
>>
was
he
with
the
Cuomo
campaign
>> No, he was not. But but but my
>>
No
he
was
not
But
but
but
my
>> that's not that's just that's just bad
>>
that's
not
that's
just
that's
just
bad
humor.
humor
>> Bad humor.
>>
Bad
humor
>> But my my point is that we we get on the
>>
But
my
my
point
is
that
we
we
get
on
the
train and we and we see this and this is
train
and
we
and
we
see
this
and
this
is
an illustration of the fact there are
an
illustration
of
the
fact
there
are
about 4,300 New Yorkers who are homeless
about
4300
New
Yorkers
who
are
homeless
between our subway platforms, our parks,
between
our
subway
platforms
our
parks
our streets, right?
our
streets
right
>> There's almost the same number of vacant
>>
There's
almost
the
same
number
of
vacant
supportive housing units that are built
supportive
housing
units
that
are
built
for those very kinds of New Yorkers
for
those
very
kinds
of
New
Yorkers
experiencing homelessness. They're
experiencing
homelessness
They're
vacant. And so I tell this to you as an
vacant
And
so
I
tell
this
to
you
as
an
example. It's not all going to be about
example
It's
not
all
going
to
be
about
a fight for funding or a fight for, you
a
fight
for
funding
or
a
fight
for
you
know, transforming city government in
know
transforming
city
government
in
the ways that are only big. It's also
the
ways
that
are
only
big
It's
also
the ways that are small, the efficiency
the
ways
that
are
small
the
efficiency
of the bureaucracy,
of
the
bureaucracy
>> because that is an example to New
>>
because
that
is
an
example
to
New
Yorkers that we have a city government
Yorkers
that
we
have
a
city
government
that's complacent with the fact that one
that's
complacent
with
the
fact
that
one
in four New Yorkers are living in
in
four
New
Yorkers
are
living
in
poverty in the wealthiest city in the
poverty
in
the
wealthiest
city
in
the
country. That's unacceptable.
country
That's
unacceptable
>> And it's interesting how much New
>>
And
it's
interesting
how
much
New
Yorkers judge the quality of life in New
Yorkers
judge
the
quality
of
life
in
New
York City from the quality of life under
York
City
from
the
quality
of
life
under
New York City. I can remember the
New
York
City
I
can
remember
the
subways, you know, in in the bad old
subways
you
know
in
in
the
bad
old
days. Let me tell you a story.
days
Let
me
tell
you
a
story
Uh, but when I first moved here in in
Uh
but
when
I
first
moved
here
in
in
the more chaotic days back when, you
the
more
chaotic
days
back
when
you
know, I was a purveyor of uh I guess you
know
I
was
a
purveyor
of
uh
I
guess
you
would call them
would
call
them
uh
uh
recreational park vendors.
recreational
park
vendors
We we would buy from their
We
we
would
buy
from
their
Let's say cart.
Let's
say
cart
>> Uh
>>
Uh
>> don't tell me this after January 1st.
>>
don't
tell
me
this
after
January
1st
>> No, no, no. Uh but but it was the city.
>>
No
no
no
Uh
but
but
it
was
the
city
I was young then and I didn't mind it.
I
was
young
then
and
I
didn't
mind
it
But when I got a family, it was a very
But
when
I
got
a
family
it
was
a
very
different and the city that I embraced
different
and
the
city
that
I
embraced
for its chaos as a younger man. I don't
for
its
chaos
as
a
younger
man
I
don't
think I would have a as an older person.
think
I
would
have
a
as
an
older
person
Does that
Does
that
does that quality of life issue because
does
that
quality
of
life
issue
because
that's that's not just Manhattan. That's
that's
that's
not
just
Manhattan
That's
that's everywhere.
that's
everywhere
>> And and I think it's it's a frustration
>>
And
and
I
think
it's
it's
a
frustration
of mine that we've allowed the words
of
mine
that
we've
allowed
the
words
quality of life to become seen as if
quality
of
life
to
become
seen
as
if
they're bywords for the Republican
they're
bywords
for
the
Republican
party.
party
>> They should be at the heart of any
>>
They
should
be
at
the
heart
of
any
progressive politics, right? If you care
progressive
politics
right
If
you
care
about working people, you have to
about
working
people
you
have
to
deliver an excellent quality of life for
deliver
an
excellent
quality
of
life
for
those people. Man, oh man, is that And I
those
people
Man
oh
man
is
that
And
I
got to tell it's it always freaks me out
got
to
tell
it's
it
always
freaks
me
out
when progressives don't push for people
when
progressives
don't
push
for
people
in communities that have less money to
in
communities
that
have
less
money
to
serve the same security and quality of
serve
the
same
security
and
quality
of
life that people in on Fifth Avenue
life
that
people
in
on
Fifth
Avenue
deserve. And I think we've forgotten
deserve
And
I
think
we've
forgotten
that.
that
>> Yeah. And I and I and I think it's you
>>
Yeah
And
I
and
I
and
I
think
it's
you
just think about the incentives in city
just
think
about
the
incentives
in
city
government right now, right? You have a
government
right
now
right
You
have
a
trash can in New York City that's
trash
can
in
New
York
City
that's
overflowing. City government's response
overflowing
City
government's
response
is often remove the trash can, not
is
often
remove
the
trash
can
not
increase trash collection of the trash
increase
trash
collection
of
the
trash
can. Really?
can
Really
>> This is
>>
This
is
>> Now, I didn't know we had trash cans
>>
Now
I
didn't
know
we
had
trash
cans
that weren't overflowing. I thought
that
weren't
overflowing
I
thought
>> I thought that New York City bought them
>>
I
thought
that
New
York
City
bought
them
>> filled.
>>
filled
>> Yeah, we just permanently at the top.
>>
Yeah
we
just
permanently
at
the
top
>> I assumed it was just some sort of like
>>
I
assumed
it
was
just
some
sort
of
like
you buy a house for your cat. That's
you
buy
a
house
for
your
cat
That's
just for the rats.
just
for
the
rats
>> Yeah.
>>
Yeah
>> To have somewhere to climb.
>>
To
have
somewhere
to
climb
>> But I think this is in a city where
>>
But
I
think
this
is
in
a
city
where
we're saying we don't have enough money
we're
saying
we
don't
have
enough
money
to take care of those who have the
to
take
care
of
those
who
have
the
least. We have enough money to pay
least
We
have
enough
money
to
pay
Mackenzie to design that trash can.
Mackenzie
to
design
that
trash
can
>> That's that's the city we're living in,
>>
That's
that's
the
city
we're
living
in
>> right?
>>
right
>> It's not about money. It's about will.
>>
It's
not
about
money
It's
about
will
>> And what I love hearing about this is
>>
And
what
I
love
hearing
about
this
is
one of the things that's been so
one
of
the
things
that's
been
so
frustrating in our politics is so much
frustrating
in
our
politics
is
so
much
of it has been defined over these last
of
it
has
been
defined
over
these
last
10 years as the negative case against
10
years
as
the
negative
case
against
someone.
someone
>> And finally, and I think uh this is not
>>
And
finally
and
I
think
uh
this
is
not
blowing smoke. I think you've made an
blowing
smoke
I
think
you've
made
an
affirmative case for people. I think the
affirmative
case
for
people
I
think
the
enthusiasm that they have for you is
enthusiasm
that
they
have
for
you
is
because you've made an affirmative case
because
you've
made
an
affirmative
case
that's not about protecting something
that's
not
about
protecting
something
that's going to be lost or a bad man
that's
going
to
be
lost
or
a
bad
man
that's over there. It's about an idea
that's
over
there
It's
about
an
idea
that you have.
that
you
have
And it surprised me that the Democratic
And
it
surprised
me
that
the
Democratic
establishment
establishment
did not embrace
did
not
embrace
that energy. And is that something that
that
energy
And
is
that
something
that
has bothered you is getting better? I
has
bothered
you
is
getting
better
I
mean, Hakee Jeff with a brave brave
mean
Hakee
Jeff
with
a
brave
brave
endorsement, I thought
endorsement
I
thought
24 hours ago.
24
hours
ago
What's that been like for you?
What's
that
been
like
for
you
>> You know,
>>
You
know
>> I think it's it's it's interesting in
>>
I
think
it's
it's
it's
interesting
in
many ways because
many
ways
because
our politics and the media that covers
our
politics
and
the
media
that
covers
it is often focused on the question of
it
is
often
focused
on
the
question
of
endorsements,
endorsements
>> right? And it's part of what gave Cuomo
>>
right
And
it's
part
of
what
gave
Cuomo
the sense of inevitability in the
the
sense
of
inevitability
in
the
primary. He just seemed to pick up all
primary
He
just
seemed
to
pick
up
all
of these different endorsements.
of
these
different
endorsements
>> And I think what we showed in many ways
>>
And
I
think
what
we
showed
in
many
ways
was that the days of endorsements
was
that
the
days
of
endorsements
deciding elections, those days have come
deciding
elections
those
days
have
come
to an end. It's the people that build up
to
an
end
It's
the
people
that
build
up
a campaign. And
a
campaign
And
and
and
you know, I I I appreciate having
you
know
I
I
I
appreciate
having
Congressman Jeff his endorsement. And I
Congressman
Jeff
his
endorsement
And
I
appreciate more than that that when
appreciate
more
than
that
that
when
we've spoken, it's been about how do we
we've
spoken
it's
been
about
how
do
we
deliver for our shared constituents
deliver
for
our
shared
constituents
because it's, you know, these are the
because
it's
you
know
these
are
the
same New Yorkers whether we're
same
New
Yorkers
whether
we're
representing them in city hall or in
representing
them
in
city
hall
or
in
Albany or in DC. And like you said,
Albany
or
in
DC
And
like
you
said
we've been telling them time and again
we've
been
telling
them
time
and
again
that all we have to offer is not Trump.
that
all
we
have
to
offer
is
not
Trump
But this is also the city that created
But
this
is
also
the
city
that
created
Trump,
Trump
>> right?
>>
right
>> We have to reckon with that. And and
>>
We
have
to
reckon
with
that
And
and
when you think about
when
you
think
about
>> Did you hear there was an audible gasp?
>>
Did
you
hear
there
was
an
audible
gasp
because this is the city that created
because
this
is
the
city
that
created
Trump and everybody's like, "Oh my god,
Trump
and
everybody's
like
Oh
my
god
that's right.
that's
right
Are we Dr. Frankenstein?"
Are
we
Dr
Frankenstein
No.
No
[Applause]
Applause
No.
No
>> But it's, you know, after the
>>
But
it's
you
know
after
the
after the presidential election, there
after
the
presidential
election
there
were all of these obituaries written
were
all
of
these
obituaries
written
about the Democratic Party's ability to
about
the
Democratic
Party's
ability
to
motivate young voters.
motivate
young
voters
>> And there's just this condescension in
>>
And
there's
just
this
condescension
in
the language that we use about young
the
language
that
we
use
about
young
people. And I can just tell you that
people
And
I
can
just
tell
you
that
what we found in this campaign is that
what
we
found
in
this
campaign
is
that
young people have been at the heart of
young
people
have
been
at
the
heart
of
believing that something could be more
believing
that
something
could
be
more
than this. And I would say, you know,
than
this
And
I
would
say
you
know
throughout the primary this quote from
throughout
the
primary
this
quote
from
Ed Cotch, if you agree with me on nine
Ed
Cotch
if
you
agree
with
me
on
nine
out of 12 issues, vote for me. 12 out of
out
of
12
issues
vote
for
me
12
out
of
12, see a psychiatrist.
12
see
a
psychiatrist
>> Right?
>>
Right
>> And and I'm in Washington Square Park.
>>
And
and
I'm
in
Washington
Square
Park
I'm filming a video with David Hog. And
I'm
filming
a
video
with
David
Hog
And
this this young guy comes up to me goes,
this
this
young
guy
comes
up
to
me
goes
"12 out of 12, baby. Send me away.
12
out
of
12
baby
Send
me
away
[Applause]
Applause
It took me a moment. I was like, "What
It
took
me
a
moment
I
was
like
What
are you talking?"
are
you
talking
And then today on on that same one
And
then
today
on
on
that
same
one
train, I meet I meet a guy who's like,
train
I
meet
I
meet
a
guy
who's
like
"Yeah, man. I'm so hyped about the
Yeah
man
I'm
so
hyped
about
the
corporate tax being the same level as
corporate
tax
being
the
same
level
as
New Jersey." And I'm like, you look at
New
Jersey
And
I'm
like
you
look
at
the fluency that people have with what
the
fluency
that
people
have
with
what
it is that we're talking about. And it
it
is
that
we're
talking
about
And
it
comes from the fact that we're talking
comes
from
the
fact
that
we're
talking
to young people like we would talk to
to
young
people
like
we
would
talk
to
anyone.
anyone
>> You're not patronizing.
>>
You're
not
patronizing
>> We're not patronizing. We're not
>>
We're
not
patronizing
We're
not
condescending. We're not like, you know,
condescending
We're
not
like
you
know
hanging a shiny little thing and saying,
hanging
a
shiny
little
thing
and
saying
"Please come follow it."
Please
come
follow
it
>> And those are the people. Look, that is
>>
And
those
are
the
people
Look
that
is
a natural constituency. You're a young
a
natural
constituency
You're
a
young
man. Uh, you know, you've got an energy.
man
Uh
you
know
you've
got
an
energy
You're you're that that's a natural con
You're
you're
that
that's
a
natural
con
constituency. You've also though been
constituency
You've
also
though
been
trying to connect with those that see
trying
to
connect
with
those
that
see
you as more of a caricature. I've I've
you
as
more
of
a
caricature
I've
I've
watched you try and uh open a dialogue
watched
you
try
and
uh
open
a
dialogue
with certain people that are really
with
certain
people
that
are
really
concerned. Some of them in good faith,
concerned
Some
of
them
in
good
faith
some of them in bad faith about are you
some
of
them
in
bad
faith
about
are
you
experienced enough to handle the city's
experienced
enough
to
handle
the
city's
a bear for even uh uh you know the best
a
bear
for
even
uh
uh
you
know
the
best
uh manager. There are real issues.
uh
manager
There
are
real
issues
What's been your experience
What's
been
your
experience
meeting and reaching out with those that
meeting
and
reaching
out
with
those
that
look at you existentially? Because we
look
at
you
existentially
Because
we
live in a culture now you're either a
live
in
a
culture
now
you're
either
a
savior or the death of us all.
savior
or
the
death
of
us
all
>> Yeah. So, what's it like reaching out to
>>
Yeah
So
what's
it
like
reaching
out
to
that other group?
that
other
group
>> You know, I don't begrudge New Yorkers
>>
You
know
I
don't
begrudge
New
Yorkers
who are skeptical because they've also
who
are
skeptical
because
they've
also
lived through tens of millions of
lived
through
tens
of
millions
of
dollars of commercials telling them to
dollars
of
commercials
telling
them
to
fear me,
fear
me
>> right?
>>
right
>> You know, they have lived through waking
>>
You
know
they
have
lived
through
waking
up every morning and seeing a photo of
up
every
morning
and
seeing
a
photo
of
me and just feeling like, "Oh my god."
me
and
just
feeling
like
Oh
my
god
Because the language that's written
Because
the
language
that's
written
around me is as if I'm a threat to the
around
me
is
as
if
I'm
a
threat
to
the
city that they love. And so, when I meet
city
that
they
love
And
so
when
I
meet
with them, just the mere fact that I
with
them
just
the
mere
fact
that
I
don't strangle them within 30 seconds is
don't
strangle
them
within
30
seconds
is
is often a surprise.
is
often
a
surprise
>> You're doing well on the wall. far.
>>
You're
doing
well
on
the
wall
far
That's sad.
That's
sad
>> But but and but and then I think it's
>>
But
but
and
but
and
then
I
think
it's
it's an opportunity where, you know, I
it's
an
opportunity
where
you
know
I
both can tell them the things that I
both
can
tell
them
the
things
that
I
will do and the things that I won't do,
will
do
and
the
things
that
I
won't
do
right? I will freeze the rent. I won't
right
I
will
freeze
the
rent
I
won't
defund the police. I will make buses
defund
the
police
I
will
make
buses
fast and free. I won't decriminalize
fast
and
free
I
won't
decriminalize
misdemeanors. I will deliver universal
misdemeanors
I
will
deliver
universal
childare. I won't require everyone to
childare
I
won't
require
everyone
to
eat halal food.
eat
halal
food
>> This is this is this sounds like a
>>
This
is
this
is
this
sounds
like
a
punchline. This is literally
punchline
This
is
literally
>> This is made news.
>>
This
is
made
news
>> This is literally in a push poll. two
>>
This
is
literally
in
a
push
poll
two
New Yorkers saying that I'm gonna make
New
Yorkers
saying
that
I'm
gonna
make
halal mandatory
halal
mandatory
and it's like if you do want to eat
and
it's
like
if
you
do
want
to
eat
halal like go to 34th Avenue in Steinway
halal
like
go
to
34th
Avenue
in
Steinway
go to Mahmoods but I'm not gonna force
go
to
Mahmoods
but
I'm
not
gonna
force
you to go there
you
to
go
there
>> right you wouldn't force them but you
>>
right
you
wouldn't
force
them
but
you
would describe it in such delicious
would
describe
it
in
such
delicious
terms
terms
>> that people would have a hard time
>>
that
people
would
have
a
hard
time
>> they wanted chicken and rice there would
>>
they
wanted
chicken
and
rice
there
would
only be one place
only
be
one
place
>> resisting that what about those who
>>
resisting
that
what
about
those
who
worry about feasibility who say and this
worry
about
feasibility
who
say
and
this
is another thing because not just
is
another
thing
because
not
just
there's a character presented but we've
there's
a
character
presented
but
we've
also lived through decades of people who
also
lived
through
decades
of
people
who
promised idealism, who promised a lot of
promised
idealism
who
promised
a
lot
of
things and didn't either run the city
things
and
didn't
either
run
the
city
well or be able to deliver on that. And
well
or
be
able
to
deliver
on
that
And
those are not easy things to deliver.
those
are
not
easy
things
to
deliver
You know, I'll give you an example. You
You
know
I'll
give
you
an
example
You
were talking about a couple of taxes
were
talking
about
a
couple
of
taxes
that you wanted to raise. It was a
that
you
wanted
to
raise
It
was
a
millionaire's tax and I think one other
millionaire's
tax
and
I
think
one
other
uh Kathy Hokll
uh
Kathy
Hokll
>> last night and you were talking about
>>
last
night
and
you
were
talking
about
that and uh uh Kathy Hokll is on stage
that
and
uh
uh
Kathy
Hokll
is
on
stage
and she goes, "We'll see." You know, I
and
she
goes
We'll
see
You
know
I
just thought like she couldn't she like
just
thought
like
she
couldn't
she
like
in the middle of it she's like I'm going
in
the
middle
of
it
she's
like
I'm
going
to fight that. Okay. How how are you
to
fight
that
Okay
How
how
are
you
going to deal with the reality when it
going
to
deal
with
the
reality
when
it
meets rubber meets the road when you get
meets
rubber
meets
the
road
when
you
get
in there?
in
there
>> You know, we have seen that that reality
>>
You
know
we
have
seen
that
that
reality
is in many ways a result of the
is
in
many
ways
a
result
of
the
political coalition that you build.
political
coalition
that
you
build
Right.
Right
>> Right. The coalition you build can
>>
Right
The
coalition
you
build
can
change that reality. We changed it from
change
that
reality
We
changed
it
from
October to now of last year. We can keep
October
to
now
of
last
year
We
can
keep
changing it because what we found is
changing
it
because
what
we
found
is
talking about raising taxes on people
talking
about
raising
taxes
on
people
who make a million dollars, increasing
who
make
a
million
dollars
increasing
it by just 2%. Increasing the state's
it
by
just
2
Increasing
the
state's
corporate tax rate to match that of the
corporate
tax
rate
to
match
that
of
the
socialist utopia of New Jersey. These
socialist
utopia
of
New
Jersey
These
these
these
these are things that are not just
these
are
things
that
are
not
just
broadly popular. They also have
broadly
popular
They
also
have
precedents. And most importantly though,
precedents
And
most
importantly
though
you're not looking to do them in and of
you're
not
looking
to
do
them
in
and
of
themselves. You're looking to do them to
themselves
You're
looking
to
do
them
to
fund an affordability agenda that would
fund
an
affordability
agenda
that
would
transform quality of life for every New
transform
quality
of
life
for
every
New
Yorker. Right.
Yorker
Right
>> And I think the question
>>
And
I
think
the
question
>> to make this city affordable,
>>
to
make
this
city
affordable
>> I mean, I'll be honest with you. You
>>
I
mean
I'll
be
honest
with
you
You
know, I I moved up here again in the
know
I
I
moved
up
here
again
in
the
early like I can't remember a time this
early
like
I
can't
remember
a
time
this
city was ever affordable. Like that
city
was
ever
affordable
Like
that
truly would be I worry sometimes if you
truly
would
be
I
worry
sometimes
if
you
make it affordable, if you make it
make
it
affordable
if
you
make
it
nicer,
nicer
more people will want to come here,
more
people
will
want
to
come
here
>> which is good.
>>
which
is
good
>> And then the prices will go up. It's
>>
And
then
the
prices
will
go
up
It's
such a Do we just need, you know, we
such
a
Do
we
just
need
you
know
we
talk about housing and all those
talk
about
housing
and
all
those
different things. Do we just need more
different
things
Do
we
just
need
more
land?
land
>> There's this park that I've been to in
>>
There's
this
park
that
I've
been
to
in
the middle of the city. It's
the
middle
of
the
city
It's
couldn't
couldn't
>> What an incredible opportunity,
>>
What
an
incredible
opportunity
>> right? But but is does is what makes it
>>
right
But
but
is
does
is
what
makes
it
so difficult here just the density that
so
difficult
here
just
the
density
that
you're dealing with? Well, I I think
you're
dealing
with
Well
I
I
think
it's actually the the absence of
it's
actually
the
the
absence
of
imagination more than the density,
imagination
more
than
the
density
right? We we obviously have a finite
right
We
we
obviously
have
a
finite
amount of land, right?
amount
of
land
right
>> But the ways in which we restrict
>>
But
the
ways
in
which
we
restrict
ourselves from building on that same
ourselves
from
building
on
that
same
amount of land, right? It it means that
amount
of
land
right
It
it
means
that
Jersey City is building seven homes per
Jersey
City
is
building
seven
homes
per
thousand people. Tokyo is building 10.
thousand
people
Tokyo
is
building
10
We're barely at four,
We're
barely
at
four
>> right?
>>
right
>> And and that's not because of the the
>>
And
and
that's
not
because
of
the
the
lack of land. That's also because we
lack
of
land
That's
also
because
we
don't want to build enough around the
don't
want
to
build
enough
around
the
little land that we have, right? And you
little
land
that
we
have
right
And
you
know I think it's you were asking
know
I
think
it's
you
were
asking
earlier about the feasibility the
earlier
about
the
feasibility
the
experience part of this is also not
experience
part
of
this
is
also
not
having an understanding of leadership
having
an
understanding
of
leadership
that you yourself make every decision
that
you
yourself
make
every
decision
and you yourself are the person who must
and
you
yourself
are
the
person
who
must
know every single thing you actually
know
every
single
thing
you
actually
create a team around you and they're not
create
a
team
around
you
and
they're
not
all going to be 34
all
going
to
be
34
>> right this is a team of people who
>>
right
this
is
a
team
of
people
who
>> younger
>>
younger
>> this is the retirement age
>>
this
is
the
retirement
age
and the K-pop demon hunters is
and
the
K-pop
demon
hunters
is
they're going to go in and knock it out.
they're
going
to
go
in
and
knock
it
out
But even that I I I have to tell you and
But
even
that
I
I
I
have
to
tell
you
and
again, you know, I'm just I'm impressed
again
you
know
I'm
just
I'm
impressed
with there's a certain humility to that
with
there's
a
certain
humility
to
that
that I don't think a lot of politicians
that
I
don't
think
a
lot
of
politicians
come come into the game with to say
come
come
into
the
game
with
to
say
like, "Hey man, I probably don't have
like
Hey
man
I
probably
don't
have
all the answers and I'm going to be
all
the
answers
and
I'm
going
to
be
looking at at some experienced hands
looking
at
at
some
experienced
hands
that I think might be able to help with
that
I
think
might
be
able
to
help
with
that." And
that
And
>> I I think it's a part of youth, frankly.
>>
I
I
think
it's
a
part
of
youth
frankly
I think youth gives you an innate sense
I
think
youth
gives
you
an
innate
sense
of possibility and a humility that you
of
possibility
and
a
humility
that
you
don't know everything. And I think it's,
don't
know
everything
And
I
think
it's
you know, it's time to have people
you
know
it's
time
to
have
people
around you that are not just
around
you
that
are
not
just
characterized by the quickness with
characterized
by
the
quickness
with
which they say yes to every idea you put
which
they
say
yes
to
every
idea
you
put
in front of you.
in
front
of
you
>> Right.
>>
Right
>> Right. Are you
>>
Right
Are
you
and I don't want to keep harping on it.
and
I
don't
want
to
keep
harping
on
it
>> Are you sure you don't want to go with
>>
Are
you
sure
you
don't
want
to
go
with
the more land thing?
the
more
land
thing
>> What if we just built you know I know
>>
What
if
we
just
built
you
know
I
know
they do this sometimes in the Middle
they
do
this
sometimes
in
the
Middle
East. They just build islands out of
East
They
just
build
islands
out
of
nothing. Can't we do but can't we
nothing
Can't
we
do
but
can't
we
connect lower Manhattan to the Statue of
connect
lower
Manhattan
to
the
Statue
of
Liberty and then just throw up a couple
Liberty
and
then
just
throw
up
a
couple
of highrises?
of
highrises
>> I actually just want to take this
>>
I
actually
just
want
to
take
this
moment. That is the policy idea I came
moment
That
is
the
policy
idea
I
came
here tonight to
here
tonight
to
>> perfect.
>>
perfect
We need something in these last eight
We
need
something
in
these
last
eight
days. Uh lastly before you go I want to
days
Uh
lastly
before
you
go
I
want
to
you know we were talking earlier in a
you
know
we
were
talking
earlier
in
a
meeting about uh you know the interview
meeting
about
uh
you
know
the
interview
that we're going to go and one of our
that
we're
going
to
go
and
one
of
our
writers Devon came up with something
writers
Devon
came
up
with
something
that I thought was really interesting
that
I
thought
was
really
interesting
about who the real MVP of your campaign
about
who
the
real
MVP
of
your
campaign
is. You really seem to take hold when
is
You
really
seem
to
take
hold
when
you were out at Madison Square Garden
you
were
out
at
Madison
Square
Garden
outside of MSG after basketball games
outside
of
MSG
after
basketball
games
talking to people about how much your
talking
to
people
about
how
much
your
tickets all those things. Do you do you
tickets
all
those
things
Do
you
do
you
remember all those videos?
remember
all
those
videos
>> I do remember that.
>>
I
do
remember
that
>> Fantastic. Right.
>>
Fantastic
Right
>> Thank you.
>>
Thank
you
>> They really took hold because of how
>>
They
really
took
hold
because
of
how
deep the Knicks went into the playoffs.
deep
the
Knicks
went
into
the
playoffs
>> That's what it was.
>>
That's
what
it
was
>> So, in many ways, isn't the MVP of your
>>
So
in
many
ways
isn't
the
MVP
of
your
campaign,
campaign
>> James?
>>
James
>> Mr. Jaylen Brunson.
>>
Mr
Jaylen
Brunson
>> Isn't it Jaylen Brunson? Isn't that
>>
Isn't
it
Jaylen
Brunson
Isn't
that
>> Sir at long last?
>>
Sir
at
long
last
>> I am glad you said Jaylen Brunson. I
>>
I
am
glad
you
said
Jaylen
Brunson
I
thought you were going to say James
thought
you
were
going
to
say
James
Dolan. No,
Dolan
No
>> I was not going there.
>>
I
was
not
going
there
>> Jaylen Brunson. Uh,
>>
Jaylen
Brunson
Uh
>> I'm glad he's not running for mayor.
>>
I'm
glad
he's
not
running
for
mayor
>> Yes. I wish you all the best. Honestly,
>>
Yes
I
wish
you
all
the
best
Honestly
you know, I think any New Yorker who
you
know
I
think
any
New
Yorker
who
looks at someone getting an opportunity,
looks
at
someone
getting
an
opportunity
who's representing communities that have
who's
representing
communities
that
have
not been as representative, a a Muslim,
not
been
as
representative
a
a
Muslim
a a young person, a progressive, a
a
a
young
person
a
progressive
a
Democratic socialist. You know, there
Democratic
socialist
You
know
there
are so many different communities that
are
so
many
different
communities
that
are looking to you. And this, I hate to
are
looking
to
you
And
this
I
hate
to
put it on you, as a bit of a Jackie
put
it
on
you
as
a
bit
of
a
Jackie
Robinson moment. And I know that that
Robinson
moment
And
I
know
that
that
that
that
probably wields some weight, but man oh
probably
wields
some
weight
but
man
oh
man, what an exciting opportunity.
man
what
an
exciting
opportunity
>> And I wish you the best.
>>
And
I
wish
you
the
best
>> Thank you.
>>
Thank
you
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