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Thank you for being here.
Thank
you
for
being
here
Great to be here.
Great
to
be
here
And I know New York
City very special to you.
And
I
know
New
York
City
very
special
to
you
You worked in New York
City for many years.
You
worked
in
New
York
City
for
many
years
I was here about
10 years serving
I
was
here
about
10
years
serving
at the Abyssinian
Baptist Church in Harlem
at
the
Abyssinian
Baptist
Church
in
Harlem
and making my way
through seminary.
and
making
my
way
through
seminary
So it's always great
to be back in New York,
So
it's
always
great
to
be
back
in
New
York
especially right now.
especially
right
now
Oh, it's always
this celebratory.
Oh
it's
always
this
celebratory
We can never go wrong.
We
can
never
go
wrong
You mentioned that--
You
mentioned
that-
so working your way through
seminary, what is the process
so
working
your
way
through
seminary
what
is
the
process
of becoming-- you are--
of
becoming-
you
are-
is it called
a licensed reverend?
is
it
called
a
licensed
reverend
How do they--
How
do
they-
I'm an ordained minister.
I'm
an
ordained
minister
Ordained minister.
Ordained
minister
What is that process like?
What
is
that
process
like
What is the schooling like
for something like that?
What
is
the
schooling
like
for
something
like
that
Well, after college,
I went to seminary
Well
after
college
I
went
to
seminary
and spent three years working
on a Master of Divinity degree.
and
spent
three
years
working
on
a
Master
of
Divinity
degree
JON STEWART: And that
qualifies you?
JON
STEWART:
And
that
qualifies
you
That's the academic
qualifications,
That's
the
academic
qualifications
but there's some other things.
but
there's
some
other
things
But that-- academically.
But
that-
academically
Is there like--
Is
there
like-
It depends
on the denomination.
It
depends
on
the
denomination
I see.
I
see
But early on, I knew that
I was going into ministry.
But
early
on
I
knew
that
I
was
going
into
ministry
My father and my mother,
who's still with us,
My
father
and
my
mother
who's
still
with
us
are both Pentecostal preachers.
are
both
Pentecostal
preachers
So I grew up in a house
with two pastors,
So
I
grew
up
in
a
house
with
two
pastors
and they spoke to me
in King James English,
and
they
spoke
to
me
in
King
James
English
like, thou shalt
wash the dishes.
like
thou
shalt
wash
the
dishes
[LAUGHTER]
LAUGHTER
I get that.
I
get
that
That's a hard house to sneak
out of, I would think.
That's
a
hard
house
to
sneak
out
of
I
would
think
And then the process
of seminary, because you
And
then
the
process
of
seminary
because
you
also have your doctorate now.
also
have
your
doctorate
now
That's right.
That's
right
Politicians don't
usually admit that.
Politicians
don't
usually
admit
that
I do have a PhD.
I
do
have
a
PhD
No, sir, you should admit.
No
sir
you
should
admit
[CHEERING]
CHEERING
It's a long process.
It's
a
long
process
I bring it up by way
of this-- and I say
I
bring
it
up
by
way
of
this-
and
I
say
this as respectfully as I can.
this
as
respectfully
as
I
can
Friends of mine wanted
me to marry them,
Friends
of
mine
wanted
me
to
marry
them
and I couldn't do it unless
I was ordained officially.
and
I
couldn't
do
it
unless
I
was
ordained
officially
So I paid $10 to Universal
Church of Light.
So
I
paid
10
to
Universal
Church
of
Light
And I guess what I'm saying
is, you and I are colleagues.
And
I
guess
what
I'm
saying
is
you
and
I
are
colleagues
[LAUGHTER]
LAUGHTER
Moment of silence.
Moment
of
silence
Slight differential, perhaps
in the depth of our knowledge.
Slight
differential
perhaps
in
the
depth
of
our
knowledge
I was listening to you
before coming out.
I
was
listening
to
you
before
coming
out
Sorry about that.
Sorry
about
that
That was quite a sermon.
That
was
quite
a
sermon
Let me tell you something,
all King's English, all--
Let
me
tell
you
something
all
King's
English
all-
depending on the king,
that's the English.
depending
on
the
king
that's
the
English
So you have this.
So
you
have
this
Then you go down,
and you work in Atlanta
Then
you
go
down
and
you
work
in
Atlanta
in maybe one of the most
legendary churches,
in
maybe
one
of
the
most
legendary
churches
historic churches
in all of America.
historic
churches
in
all
of
America
And how long were
you down there for?
And
how
long
were
you
down
there
for
How did you end up there?
How
did
you
end
up
there
So I was born
and raised in Georgia,
So
I
was
born
and
raised
in
Georgia
and so I returned
to my home state.
and
so
I
returned
to
my
home
state
And Baptist, it's
the congregation
And
Baptist
it's
the
congregation
that elects you to serve.
that
elects
you
to
serve
There's no bishop.
There's
no
bishop
So I was sent to the--
So
I
was
sent
to
the-
I was elected
by the congregation.
I
was
elected
by
the
congregation
And yeah, it's quite
an honor to serve
And
yeah
it's
quite
an
honor
to
serve
as pastor of the church where
Martin Luther King Jr. was born
as
pastor
of
the
church
where
Martin
Luther
King
Jr
was
born
and where he preached
from 1960 to 1968.
and
where
he
preached
from
1960
to
1968
And it's a church
that's always had
And
it's
a
church
that's
always
had
at the helm of its
leadership pastors
at
the
helm
of
its
leadership
pastors
who believe that you take
your faith out into the world,
who
believe
that
you
take
your
faith
out
into
the
world
and you make it come alive.
and
you
make
it
come
alive
Everybody knows
the story of Doctor King,
Everybody
knows
the
story
of
Doctor
King
but not as many
people know that
but
not
as
many
people
know
that
every pastor of that church--
every
pastor
of
that
church-
his grandfather, Daddy King,
led a voting rights campaign
his
grandfather
Daddy
King
led
a
voting
rights
campaign
in Atlanta in 1935, 30 years
before the Voting Rights law,
in
Atlanta
in
1935
30
years
before
the
Voting
Rights
law
and that his maternal
grandfather, AD Williams, who
and
that
his
maternal
grandfather
AD
Williams
who
was the second
pastor of the church,
was
the
second
pastor
of
the
church
led a bond referendum
that created
led
a
bond
referendum
that
created
the first public high school
for Black children in Atlanta.
the
first
public
high
school
for
Black
children
in
Atlanta
And so it's a long legacy
of faith and justice.
And
so
it's
a
long
legacy
of
faith
and
justice
Faith come alive
in the public square,
Faith
come
alive
in
the
public
square
and I've tried to live
that out in my own way.
and
I've
tried
to
live
that
out
in
my
own
way
And I'm blessed that
the people of Georgia
And
I'm
blessed
that
the
people
of
Georgia
saw fit to send me
to the United States Senate.
saw
fit
to
send
me
to
the
United
States
Senate
[APPLAUSE]
APPLAUSE
JON STEWART: It's amazing.
JON
STEWART:
It's
amazing
How do you--
in the church hierarchy,
How
do
you-
in
the
church
hierarchy
how do you stand
for election as their pastor?
how
do
you
stand
for
election
as
their
pastor
They elect you once.
They
elect
you
once
Do you have to put
your name as-- is
Do
you
have
to
put
your
name
as-
is
there a nominating process?
there
a
nominating
process
Is there-- how is--
Is
there-
how
is-
They did a national search
They
did
a
national
search
JON STEWART: Oh, really?
JON
STEWART:
Oh
really
Yeah.
Yeah
They looked all
over the world
They
looked
all
over
the
world
and found you
to lead that church?
and
found
you
to
lead
that
church
That's amazing.
And they voted on it.
That's
amazing
And
they
voted
on
it
It's quite an honor.
It's
quite
an
honor
And then you were there
for a couple of years,
And
then
you
were
there
for
a
couple
of
years
and they went, you should
really run for Senate.
and
they
went
you
should
really
run
for
Senate
[LAUGHTER]
LAUGHTER
What was it like when you
announced you were leaving?
What
was
it
like
when
you
announced
you
were
leaving
I didn't leave.
I
didn't
leave
I'm still the pastor
of Ebenezer Baptist Church.
I'm
still
the
pastor
of
Ebenezer
Baptist
Church
I return to my pulpit
most Sundays, almost every
I
return
to
my
pulpit
most
Sundays
almost
every
Sunday, because I don't
want to spend all my time
Sunday
because
I
don't
want
to
spend
all
my
time
talking to politicians.
talking
to
politicians
I'm afraid I might
accidentally become one.
I'm
afraid
I
might
accidentally
become
one
[LAUGHTER]
LAUGHTER
Nicely done.
Nicely
done
Well done.
Well
done
But seriously, I really do
think it's important for you
But
seriously
I
really
do
think
it's
important
for
you
to walk with the people,
even as you work for them
to
walk
with
the
people
even
as
you
work
for
them
and to stay connected to them.
and
to
stay
connected
to
them
So I still lead my church.
So
I
still
lead
my
church
I still preach every Sunday.
I
still
preach
every
Sunday
And this book
began as a sermon,
And
this
book
began
as
a
sermon
literally, that I preached
one Sunday morning
literally
that
I
preached
one
Sunday
morning
at Ebenezer Baptist.
at
Ebenezer
Baptist
Well, you write in it that
there were people that came up
Well
you
write
in
it
that
there
were
people
that
came
up
to you when you announced
that you were leaving,
to
you
when
you
announced
that
you
were
leaving
and some were upset, and some
were really congratulatory.
and
some
were
upset
and
some
were
really
congratulatory
They were nervous.
They
were
nervous
JON STEWART: They were nervous
about what was going to happen.
JON
STEWART:
They
were
nervous
about
what
was
going
to
happen
Politics is a messy business.
Politics
is
a
messy
business
And what would it
be like to bring
And
what
would
it
be
like
to
bring
your church into the fray?
your
church
into
the
fray
And there were people,
my adversaries or
And
there
were
people
my
adversaries
or
political opponents, who
did come after the church
political
opponents
who
did
come
after
the
church
and tried to-- and they
come after us all the time.
and
tried
to-
and
they
come
after
us
all
the
time
But Ebenezer is used
to being in a fight.
But
Ebenezer
is
used
to
being
in
a
fight
And it's a fight that
changed America, brought
And
it's
a
fight
that
changed
America
brought
us closer to our ideals.
us
closer
to
our
ideals
And that's the work that
I'm trying to do right now,
And
that's
the
work
that
I'm
trying
to
do
right
now
really concerned about
our country as we approach
really
concerned
about
our
country
as
we
approach
this 250th anniversary.
this
250th
anniversary
JON STEWART: So what is--
when you're reflecting
JON
STEWART:
So
what
is-
when
you're
reflecting
on this idea of the moral
meaning of America,
on
this
idea
of
the
moral
meaning
of
America
what do you derive it from?
what
do
you
derive
it
from
And how do you see it fitting
into the political hierarchy?
And
how
do
you
see
it
fitting
into
the
political
hierarchy
Yeah, I just think that
we've got some really
Yeah
I
just
think
that
we've
got
some
really
big challenges in front of us.
big
challenges
in
front
of
us
And the language of partisan
politics, in a real sense,
And
the
language
of
partisan
politics
in
a
real
sense
is too puny a vocabulary
for the issues.
is
too
puny
a
vocabulary
for
the
issues
JON STEWART: It's
a very puny vocabulary.
JON
STEWART:
It's
a
very
puny
vocabulary
It's very predictable
that's confronting us.
It's
very
predictable
that's
confronting
us
And this is a call to remind
us of who we are at our best.
And
this
is
a
call
to
remind
us
of
who
we
are
at
our
best
"We the people,"
the first three words
We
the
people
the
first
three
words
of the Constitution are
not just the opening
of
the
Constitution
are
not
just
the
opening
lines of a sentence.
lines
of
a
sentence
It's really a creed.
It's
really
a
creed
And there are those
who are trying
And
there
are
those
who
are
trying
to divide us in this moment
because folks who have
to
divide
us
in
this
moment
because
folks
who
have
no vision traffic in division.
no
vision
traffic
in
division
And we're seeing growing
wealth inequality.
And
we're
seeing
growing
wealth
inequality
We're seeing poor people
who are really just
We're
seeing
poor
people
who
are
really
just
being crushed by the system.
being
crushed
by
the
system
And I'm honored to fight
for them every day
And
I'm
honored
to
fight
for
them
every
day
in the United States.
in
the
United
States
Do you look at this
book as a way of making
Do
you
look
at
this
book
as
a
way
of
making
a political argument,
or is this book
a
political
argument
or
is
this
book
really an argument
about Christianity,
really
an
argument
about
Christianity
and which Christianity--
and
which
Christianity-
which path of Christianity you
believe people should go down?
which
path
of
Christianity
you
believe
people
should
go
down
Well, I engage with politics.
Well
I
engage
with
politics
I'm serving as a Democratic
Senator from Georgia,
I'm
serving
as
a
Democratic
Senator
from
Georgia
but I really do
honestly believe
but
I
really
do
honestly
believe
that the issues
that confront us
that
the
issues
that
confront
us
are bigger than this
partisan language.
are
bigger
than
this
partisan
language
And most Americans feel that.
And
most
Americans
feel
that
They don't wake up
thinking of themselves
They
don't
wake
up
thinking
of
themselves
as a Democrat or a Republican.
as
a
Democrat
or
a
Republican
Folks want to be able
to go to the grocery store
Folks
want
to
be
able
to
go
to
the
grocery
store
and afford their groceries.
and
afford
their
groceries
They want health care.
They
want
health
care
And part of what
I do in the book
And
part
of
what
I
do
in
the
book
is I call us to faith, those
of us who are people of faith.
is
I
call
us
to
faith
those
of
us
who
are
people
of
faith
I do ask about
the character of that faith.
I
do
ask
about
the
character
of
that
faith
But I also honor
people who don't
But
I
also
honor
people
who
don't
claim any particular
faith tradition
claim
any
particular
faith
tradition
but are people
of moral courage.
but
are
people
of
moral
courage
And that's the covenant
we have with one another.
And
that's
the
covenant
we
have
with
one
another
So ultimately, I'm
calling us to renew
So
ultimately
I'm
calling
us
to
renew
our faith in one another
and in the American covenant.
our
faith
in
one
another
and
in
the
American
covenant
And yeah, I do take on those of
my particular faith tradition,
And
yeah
I
do
take
on
those
of
my
particular
faith
tradition
and I ask us, do our deeds
match our creeds.
and
I
ask
us
do
our
deeds
match
our
creeds
And so I was taken by the fact
that when they passed the One
And
so
I
was
taken
by
the
fact
that
when
they
passed
the
One
Big Ugly Bill, I call it--
Big
Ugly
Bill
I
call
it-
I don't find it
beautiful at all.
I
don't
find
it
beautiful
at
all
Watch your language,
Reverend.
Watch
your
language
Reverend
Don't--
Don't-
That's as close to cussing--
That's
as
close
to
cussing-
This is not that
kind of show, this act.
This
is
not
that
kind
of
show
this
act
Well played.
Well
played
Thank you, sir.
Thank
you
sir
[LAUGHTER]
LAUGHTER
Here's what-- here's
what I want to ask you.
Here's
what-
here's
what
I
want
to
ask
you
The reason why I
bring it up there
The
reason
why
I
bring
it
up
there
is certainly a tradition
within the Republican Party
is
certainly
a
tradition
within
the
Republican
Party
to claim faith
as the foundation
to
claim
faith
as
the
foundation
for all that governance
should occur,
for
all
that
governance
should
occur
that they would like to see
more of that in there.
that
they
would
like
to
see
more
of
that
in
there
And it feels like
the argument you are making
And
it
feels
like
the
argument
you
are
making
is with maybe some
of your fellow politicians.
is
with
maybe
some
of
your
fellow
politicians
I know you've sat down
with Mike Johnson,
I
know
you've
sat
down
with
Mike
Johnson
who is obviously--
who
is
obviously-
and forgive me for not
having the language of this,
and
forgive
me
for
not
having
the
language
of
this
because I don't come from
a faith tradition other than--
because
I
don't
come
from
a
faith
tradition
other
than-
He's a fellow Christian.
He's
a
fellow
Christian
He's a believer.
He's
a
believer
Yes.
Yes
So you're basically working
off of the same book.
So
you're
basically
working
off
of
the
same
book
Well, yeah, that's right.
Well
yeah
that's
right
We're people of the book.
We're
people
of
the
book
And let me be really
clear, because I
And
let
me
be
really
clear
because
I
don't want people to
misunderstand this as a pastor
don't
want
people
to
misunderstand
this
as
a
pastor
who serves in the Senate.
who
serves
in
the
Senate
Let me be really clear.
Let
me
be
really
clear
I'm a Christian.
I'm
a
Christian
I don't want to live
in anybody's theocracy--
I
don't
want
to
live
in
anybody's
theocracy-
Christian Muslim Jewish.
Christian
Muslim
Jewish
We are a country--
We
are
a
country-
the covenant that we
have with one another
the
covenant
that
we
have
with
one
another
is a covenant for freedom--
is
a
covenant
for
freedom-
freedom of religion, freedom
to choose your religion,
freedom
of
religion
freedom
to
choose
your
religion
freedom from religion.
freedom
from
religion
And the covenant--
And
the
covenant-
[APPLAUSE]
APPLAUSE
I mean, we agree
that we're going
I
mean
we
agree
that
we're
going
to have each other's back, and
we're going to support that.
to
have
each
other's
back
and
we're
going
to
support
that
But I was struck by the fact
that when they passed the One
But
I
was
struck
by
the
fact
that
when
they
passed
the
One
Big Ugly Bill,
they got together--
Big
Ugly
Bill
they
got
together-
the Speaker
of the House held hands
the
Speaker
of
the
House
held
hands
with other legislators,
prayed a prayer,
with
other
legislators
prayed
a
prayer
and then they went
and cut $1 trillion
and
then
they
went
and
cut
1
trillion
out of Medicaid, $1 trillion.
out
of
Medicaid
1
trillion
They kicked 15 million people
off of their health care.
They
kicked
15
million
people
off
of
their
health
care
They kicked
veterans and seniors
They
kicked
veterans
and
seniors
and children off of SNAP.
and
children
off
of
SNAP
And I don't understand how
you read the book that I read.
And
I
don't
understand
how
you
read
the
book
that
I
read
I'm a Matthew 25 Christian.
I'm
a
Matthew
25
Christian
Oh!
Oh
Inasmuch as you've done--
Inasmuch
as
you've
done-
[LAUGHTER]
LAUGHTER
Why wouldn't you be?
Why
wouldn't
you
be
Matthew 24, you're like, no.
Matthew
24
you're
like
no
[LAUGHTER]
LAUGHTER
I remember when
that's coming up,
I
remember
when
that's
coming
up
and everyone's
like, keep going.
and
everyone's
like
keep
going
You know that one, Jon.
You
know
that
one
Jon
I know that one.
I
know
that
one
But see, here's--
But
see
here's-
I was hungry, and you fed me.
I
was
hungry
and
you
fed
me
I was thirsty, and you
gave me something to drink.
I
was
thirsty
and
you
gave
me
something
to
drink
I was sick, and you
came to visit me.
I
was
sick
and
you
came
to
visit
me
And they asked the Lord,
when were you hungry?
And
they
asked
the
Lord
when
were
you
hungry
You're the Lord.
When were you sick?
You're
the
Lord
When
were
you
sick
When were you in prison?
When
were
you
in
prison
When were you an immigrant?
When
were
you
an
immigrant
And he said, inasmuch
as you've done
And
he
said
inasmuch
as
you've
done
it unto the least of these,
you've done it also unto me.
it
unto
the
least
of
these
you've
done
it
also
unto
me
And so for me, the acid test of
the authenticity of your faith
And
so
for
me
the
acid
test
of
the
authenticity
of
your
faith
is the depth of your commitment
to the most marginalized
is
the
depth
of
your
commitment
to
the
most
marginalized
members of the human family.
members
of
the
human
family
It doesn't-- you can't pray
and then crush the poor.
It
doesn't-
you
can't
pray
and
then
crush
the
poor
Isaiah, upon which this book
is written, said I can't--
Isaiah
upon
which
this
book
is
written
said
I
can't-
God says I cannot endure solemn
assemblies with iniquity.
God
says
I
cannot
endure
solemn
assemblies
with
iniquity
Your hands are full of blood.
Your
hands
are
full
of
blood
And so I asked--
And
so
I
asked-
I raised that question, and the
Speaker wanted to meet with me,
I
raised
that
question
and
the
Speaker
wanted
to
meet
with
me
and I was happy to meet
with him and talk to him.
and
I
was
happy
to
meet
with
him
and
talk
to
him
We had a very
candid conversation.
We
had
a
very
candid
conversation
I hope we keep that going.
I
hope
we
keep
that
going
Can I ask you--
so in that moment--
Can
I
ask
you-
so
in
that
moment-
because here's the difficulty
for me, the idea that
because
here's
the
difficulty
for
me
the
idea
that
we need to find this book.
we
need
to
find
this
book
Poor people are being
kicked off of food benefits.
Poor
people
are
being
kicked
off
of
food
benefits
Old people being kicked off
of-- people being kicked
Old
people
being
kicked
off
of-
people
being
kicked
off their health insurance.
off
their
health
insurance
It strikes me as a very
difficult, slippery slope
It
strikes
me
as
a
very
difficult
slippery
slope
to go down to say we
shouldn't do that.
to
go
down
to
say
we
shouldn't
do
that
Why?
Why
Hold on.
Hold
on
Matthew 25.
Matthew
25
Why is that moral
covenant self-evident?
Why
is
that
moral
covenant
self-evident
And does that open the door
to other Christians going,
And
does
that
open
the
door
to
other
Christians
going
well, let me show
you this other quote
well
let
me
show
you
this
other
quote
that gives me a justification?
that
gives
me
a
justification
Let's say it's the story
of Ham to keep people enslaved.
Let's
say
it's
the
story
of
Ham
to
keep
people
enslaved
Doesn't it allow
people an ability
Doesn't
it
allow
people
an
ability
to weaponize their faith
for whatever policy they think
to
weaponize
their
faith
for
whatever
policy
they
think
is right?
is
right
There is no question
that people have often
There
is
no
question
that
people
have
often
weaponized faith or faith
language in service
weaponized
faith
or
faith
language
in
service
to slavery, human oppression.
to
slavery
human
oppression
The favorite one during
the Christian slave-ocracy--
The
favorite
one
during
the
Christian
slave-ocracy-
what an oxymoron,
but that's what we were--
what
an
oxymoron
but
that's
what
we
were-
was slaves obey your masters.
was
slaves
obey
your
masters
But I come from
a tradition where
But
I
come
from
a
tradition
where
folks stumbled into Exodus
where God told Moses to tell
folks
stumbled
into
Exodus
where
God
told
Moses
to
tell
Pharaoh to let my people go.
Pharaoh
to
let
my
people
go
JON STEWART: I do
know that story.
JON
STEWART:
I
do
know
that
story
For me, it's--
For
me
it's-
We have a whole dinner.
We
have
a
whole
dinner
You have no idea.
You
have
no
idea
By the way, some
of the weirdest foods
By
the
way
some
of
the
weirdest
foods
you've ever eaten in your life.
you've
ever
eaten
in
your
life
[LAUGHTER]
LAUGHTER
So I don't think
it's about a verse.
So
I
don't
think
it's
about
a
verse
When you have
those conversations
When
you
have
those
conversations
with someone like
the Speaker of the House,
with
someone
like
the
Speaker
of
the
House
do they battle you in verse?
do
they
battle
you
in
verse
Is how that goes,
or do they just say,
Is
how
that
goes
or
do
they
just
say
I hear what you're
saying, don't believe it?
I
hear
what
you're
saying
don't
believe
it
We had a candid conversation.
We
had
a
candid
conversation
Christians have
differences of opinion.
Christians
have
differences
of
opinion
By the way, I think this idea
of mercy and compassion, love
By
the
way
I
think
this
idea
of
mercy
and
compassion
love
of neighbor, there
are iterations
of
neighbor
there
are
iterations
of what we call
the golden rule in all
of
what
we
call
the
golden
rule
in
all
of the great faith traditions.
of
the
great
faith
traditions
Do unto others as you would
have them do unto you.
Do
unto
others
as
you
would
have
them
do
unto
you
There's some version
of that in all
There's
some
version
of
that
in
all
of the great faith traditions.
of
the
great
faith
traditions
And I just pointed out
to the Speaker that there are
And
I
just
pointed
out
to
the
Speaker
that
there
are
2,000 verses in scripture that
tell you how to treat the poor.
2000
verses
in
scripture
that
tell
you
how
to
treat
the
poor
And so I'm not just talking--
And
so
I'm
not
just
talking-
when I say that justice
making, truth telling,
when
I
say
that
justice
making
truth
telling
centering the concerns
of poor and ordinary people
centering
the
concerns
of
poor
and
ordinary
people
is a requirement
of the faith, I'm
is
a
requirement
of
the
faith
I'm
saying it's central
to the meaning of the faith.
saying
it's
central
to
the
meaning
of
the
faith
You can't be
one or the other.
You
can't
be
one
or
the
other
Would you rather convert
somebody to Christianity
Would
you
rather
convert
somebody
to
Christianity
or to being a Democrat?
or
to
being
a
Democrat
[LAUGHTER]
LAUGHTER
And what verse-- would that
be like, Luke 19:10, look,
And
what
verse-
would
that
be
like
Luke
19:10
look
you have got to vote by mail?
you
have
got
to
vote
by
mail
But are you able
to separate it in your mind?
But
are
you
able
to
separate
it
in
your
mind
Oh absolutely.
Oh
absolutely
Look, Democrats have
got some issues too.
Look
Democrats
have
got
some
issues
too
- Boy oh boy.
- For sure.
Boy
oh
boy
For
sure
JON STEWART: Yes, sir.
JON
STEWART:
Yes
sir
And, I'm honored that I
get to work in that arena.
And
I'm
honored
that
I
get
to
work
in
that
arena
But for me, I put
up with politics.
But
for
me
I
put
up
with
politics
I'm not in love with politics.
I'm
not
in
love
with
politics
Why do you?
Why
do
you
What is it about politics?
What
is
it
about
politics
Is politics the vessel
by which you
Is
politics
the
vessel
by
which
you
can execute the plan that you
believe that is more godly?
can
execute
the
plan
that
you
believe
that
is
more
godly
I'm in love with change,
and every now and then,
I'm
in
love
with
change
and
every
now
and
then
you get to do something
amazing in this job.
you
get
to
do
something
amazing
in
this
job
What else could I be doing
where I could literally
What
else
could
I
be
doing
where
I
could
literally
write the legislation
that capped insulin
write
the
legislation
that
capped
insulin
for seniors to no more than $35
of out-of-pocket cost per year?
for
seniors
to
no
more
than
35
of
out-of-pocket
cost
per
year
Incredible.
Incredible
[APPLAUSE]
APPLAUSE
So you're saying it
allows you the levers
So
you're
saying
it
allows
you
the
levers
by which you can manifest.
by
which
you
can
manifest
Public policy is
a matter of life and death.
Public
policy
is
a
matter
of
life
and
death
Faith and politics is
about life and death.
Faith
and
politics
is
about
life
and
death
And I put up with politics
because every now and then,
And
I
put
up
with
politics
because
every
now
and
then
I get to do something
amazing like that for me.
I
get
to
do
something
amazing
like
that
for
me
JON STEWART: Change lives.
JON
STEWART:
Change
lives
As much as I
love this office,
As
much
as
I
love
this
office
I don't need this office.
I
don't
need
this
office
I think leadership is
about an orientation, not
I
think
leadership
is
about
an
orientation
not
about an office.
about
an
office
And I'm always going
to find some way
And
I'm
always
going
to
find
some
way
to serve because that's what
gives me fulfillment and joy.
to
serve
because
that's
what
gives
me
fulfillment
and
joy
That's what I think
we're put here for.
That's
what
I
think
we're
put
here
for
Now, your book is coming
out at the same time--
Now
your
book
is
coming
out
at
the
same
time-
I believe JD Vance has
a book coming out same day
I
believe
JD
Vance
has
a
book
coming
out
same
day
about his faith journey.
about
his
faith
journey
It's called, I'm a fraud.
It's
called
I'm
a
fraud
No, it's called--
No
it's
called-
[LAUGHTER]
I'll find it.
LAUGHTER
I'll
find
it
I'll find it--
I'll
find
it-
Communion, Finding
My Way Back to Faith.
Communion
Finding
My
Way
Back
to
Faith
And I believe his is
about Catholicism.
And
I
believe
his
is
about
Catholicism
Whose book will win?
Whose
book
will
win
I haven't read the Vice
President's book.
I
haven't
read
the
Vice
President's
book
I don't think he has either.
I
don't
think
he
has
either
[LAUGHTER]
LAUGHTER
Don't laugh at that.
Don't
laugh
at
that
Don't encourage me.
Don't
encourage
me
[CHEERING]
CHEERING
I will say this.
I
will
say
this
He's been talking about his
faith and his conversion.
He's
been
talking
about
his
faith
and
his
conversion
And who am I to question
anybody's conversion?
And
who
am
I
to
question
anybody's
conversion
But I did find it
interesting that he
But
I
did
find
it
interesting
that
he
was so quick to say
to the Pope after the Pope
was
so
quick
to
say
to
the
Pope
after
the
Pope
called for peace--
called
for
peace-
he said the Pope needs
to be careful when
he
said
the
Pope
needs
to
be
careful
when
he's talking about theology.
he's
talking
about
theology
By the way,
judging-- coming off
By
the
way
judging-
coming
off
of what happened when
he met the last Pope,
of
what
happened
when
he
met
the
last
Pope
that's no Idle threat.
that's
no
Idle
threat
[LAUGHTER]
LAUGHTER
When he said the Pope
has to be careful,
When
he
said
the
Pope
has
to
be
careful
I'm sure the Pope
was like, what's
I'm
sure
the
Pope
was
like
what's
this guy trying to imply?
this
guy
trying
to
imply
And, you know--
And
you
know-
JON STEWART: I'm sorry.
JON
STEWART:
I'm
sorry
[LAUGHTER]
LAUGHTER
I just-- I love the fact
that you can't come
I
just-
I
love
the
fact
that
you
can't
come
with me on these journeys.
with
me
on
these
journeys
And I go down these rabbit
holes of terrible things
And
I
go
down
these
rabbit
holes
of
terrible
things
to say, and you
just have to go,
to
say
and
you
just
have
to
go
getting back to The Good
Book, let me just--
getting
back
to
The
Good
Book
let
me
just-
it's better this way.
it's
better
this
way
It's better this way.
It's
better
this
way
Keeps you clean.
Keeps
you
clean
I like this.
I
like
this
But you thought
it was interesting
But
you
thought
it
was
interesting
that he would say that.
that
he
would
say
that
Is he someone that you
could pull aside and have
Is
he
someone
that
you
could
pull
aside
and
have
a conversation about theology?
a
conversation
about
theology
We did serve for a little
while together in the Senate.
We
did
serve
for
a
little
while
together
in
the
Senate
I have conversations with
Republicans all the time.
I
have
conversations
with
Republicans
all
the
time
And every now
and then, I actually do
And
every
now
and
then
I
actually
do
legislation with Republicans.
legislation
with
Republicans
I'm listed as one of the most
bipartisan senators
I'm
listed
as
one
of
the
most
bipartisan
senators
in the Senate.
in
the
Senate
So I find a way to hold
on to my values,
So
I
find
a
way
to
hold
on
to
my
values
and where I can work with
people to get some good done,
and
where
I
can
work
with
people
to
get
some
good
done
I'm always willing to do that.
I'm
always
willing
to
do
that
Is your faith more tested
in a theological setting
Is
your
faith
more
tested
in
a
theological
setting
or in a senatorial setting?
or
in
a
senatorial
setting
Is it difficult for you
more so to maintain
Is
it
difficult
for
you
more
so
to
maintain
your faith
in your church setting
your
faith
in
your
church
setting
or in your legislative setting?
or
in
your
legislative
setting
I can tell you that
working in Congress
I
can
tell
you
that
working
in
Congress
has given me plenty
of material for my sermons.
has
given
me
plenty
of
material
for
my
sermons
[LAUGHTER]
LAUGHTER
That's all I
needed to hear, sir.
That's
all
I
needed
to
hear
sir
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