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I've been an admirer of your
reporting for a very long time.
I've
been
an
admirer
of
your
reporting
for
a
very
long
time
Thank you.
Thank
you
Your latest reporting,
Supreme Court,
Your
latest
reporting
Supreme
Court
which is one of the more
opaque, I think,
which
is
one
of
the
more
opaque
I
think
that we have
in our government--
that
we
have
in
our
government-
some documents were leaked
to you about the Supreme Court.
some
documents
were
leaked
to
you
about
the
Supreme
Court
Talk to us about
what this article is.
Talk
to
us
about
what
this
article
is
So about a week
ago, Adam Liptak and
So
about
a
week
ago
Adam
Liptak
and
I put, in the pages
of The New York Times, 16
I
put
in
the
pages
of
The
New
York
Times
16
pages of internal
documents from the Court,
pages
of
internal
documents
from
the
Court
private correspondence
among the justices
private
correspondence
among
the
justices
that we were not going
to see for generations, that
that
we
were
not
going
to
see
for
generations
that
show the origins of something
called the shadow docket, which
show
the
origins
of
something
called
the
shadow
docket
which
is a new way that the Court
has been doing business
is
a
new
way
that
the
Court
has
been
doing
business
for about the past 10 years.
for
about
the
past
10
years
And so the reason
we were eager to do
And
so
the
reason
we
were
eager
to
do
this is because this is a way
of listening to the justices
this
is
because
this
is
a
way
of
listening
to
the
justices
as they talk in private.
as
they
talk
in
private
These are them
emailing, texting.
These
are
them
emailing
texting
Well, they're memos
that are being shared.
Well
they're
memos
that
are
being
shared
Their clerks are the ones--
Their
clerks
are
the
ones-
They know Snapchat.
They
know
Snapchat
They don't--
They
don't-
[LAUGHTER]
LAUGHTER
It makes sense.
It
makes
sense
But the point is that we
can see the exercise of power
But
the
point
is
that
we
can
see
the
exercise
of
power
in these memos.
in
these
memos
And we can also see the
justices disregarding centuries
And
we
can
also
see
the
justices
disregarding
centuries
of time-tested legal
decisions, legal decisionmaking
of
time-tested
legal
decisions
legal
decisionmaking
process about being
very deliberate
process
about
being
very
deliberate
and doing things slowly.
and
doing
things
slowly
And in these five
days of memos,
And
in
these
five
days
of
memos
they both halt President
Obama's climate
they
both
halt
President
Obama's
climate
change initiative.
change
initiative
JON STEWART: These
memos are from 2016.
JON
STEWART:
These
memos
are
from
2016
These are from 2016.
These
are
from
2016
So they're stopping
Obama's plan.
So
they're
stopping
Obama's
plan
Turns out, later--
we see this is, like,
Turns
out
later-
we
see
this
is
like
the beginning of the end
of federal attempts
the
beginning
of
the
end
of
federal
attempts
to regulate greenhouse
gas emissions.
to
regulate
greenhouse
gas
emissions
But also, they're doing
this thing, like, really,
But
also
they're
doing
this
thing
like
really
like, very quickly and without
a lot of deliberation,
like
very
quickly
and
without
a
lot
of
deliberation
that is going
to turn into a break
that
is
going
to
turn
into
a
break
with the way the Court
does business.
with
the
way
the
Court
does
business
And this is the origins
of the system we see today,
And
this
is
the
origins
of
the
system
we
see
today
where, like,
for example, if you
where
like
for
example
if
you
look at how this court has
treated President Trump,
look
at
how
this
court
has
treated
President
Trump
they've awarded
him a lot of power.
they've
awarded
him
a
lot
of
power
They've done--
They've
done-
JON STEWART: Virtual
immunity from any--
JON
STEWART:
Virtual
immunity
from
any-
The immunity decision
was a merits case.
The
immunity
decision
was
a
merits
case
That was a regular,
slow, played-out case.
That
was
a
regular
slow
played-out
case
Had to write it out.
Had
to
write
it
out
Yes.
Yes
On this emergency
track, they have
On
this
emergency
track
they
have
awarded President
Trump a ton of power
awarded
President
Trump
a
ton
of
power
without explaining
themselves to the public--
without
explaining
themselves
to
the
public-
JON STEWART: Explain
the shadow docket,
JON
STEWART:
Explain
the
shadow
docket
because I think
that's interesting.
because
I
think
that's
interesting
We're accustomed to the
decisions that are made--
We're
accustomed
to
the
decisions
that
are
made-
there's a dissenting opinion.
there's
a
dissenting
opinion
There's a lot of law
work that is cited,
There's
a
lot
of
law
work
that
is
cited
precedents
and things like that.
precedents
and
things
like
that
How does the shadow docket
differ from the other docket?
How
does
the
shadow
docket
differ
from
the
other
docket
I don't know the terminology.
I
don't
know
the
terminology
The merits docket.
The
merits
docket
The merits docket.
The
merits
docket
So like, let's call those
regular Supreme Court cases.
So
like
let's
call
those
regular
Supreme
Court
cases
They play out over
a very long time.
They
play
out
over
a
very
long
time
There are oral arguments, where
things are discussed in detail.
There
are
oral
arguments
where
things
are
discussed
in
detail
JON STEWART: Best
kind of argument.
JON
STEWART:
Best
kind
of
argument
The justices meet in person.
The
justices
meet
in
person
They have these secret meetings
called conference meetings.
They
have
these
secret
meetings
called
conference
meetings
They sit around
a special table.
They
sit
around
a
special
table
They sit in special chairs.
They
sit
in
special
chairs
Do they really?
Do
they
really
They do.
They
do
They discuss
the cases in person.
They
discuss
the
cases
in
person
They vote.
They
vote
They do many drafts
of their opinions.
They
do
many
drafts
of
their
opinions
They go back and forth.
They
go
back
and
forth
They change things.
They
change
things
JON STEWART: They're
deliberative.
JON
STEWART:
They're
deliberative
They're deliberative.
They're
deliberative
JON STEWART: What is
the shadow docket?
JON
STEWART:
What
is
the
shadow
docket
Wait, wait, but I want
to give you what is probably
Wait
wait
but
I
want
to
give
you
what
is
probably
the most important part.
the
most
important
part
They write opinions.
They
write
opinions
And here's why
opinions are important.
And
here's
why
opinions
are
important
If we're talking about
our elected officials,
If
we're
talking
about
our
elected
officials
they're accountable to us
through elections, right?
they're
accountable
to
us
through
elections
right
If we don't like what they're
doing, they're removed.
If
we
don't
like
what
they're
doing
they're
removed
These justices are
appointed for life.
These
justices
are
appointed
for
life
There are no traditional
forms of accountability,
There
are
no
traditional
forms
of
accountability
save impeachment.
save
impeachment
The act of writing an opinion
is the act of accountability.
The
act
of
writing
an
opinion
is
the
act
of
accountability
It's a judge or a justice
saying, listen,
It's
a
judge
or
a
justice
saying
listen
you may disagree
with my opinion.
you
may
disagree
with
my
opinion
My opinion may put
your brother in jail,
My
opinion
may
put
your
brother
in
jail
or it may cause
your business to close.
or
it
may
cause
your
business
to
close
But I want to show you
that I have been fair,
But
I
want
to
show
you
that
I
have
been
fair
and I've been diligent--
and
I've
been
diligent-
JON STEWART: They
show the work.
JON
STEWART:
They
show
the
work
--and I'm just
applying the law.
-and
I'm
just
applying
the
law
So that is a judge
or justice's explanation
So
that
is
a
judge
or
justice's
explanation
to the public that, over time,
has earned the Court's trust.
to
the
public
that
over
time
has
earned
the
Court's
trust
In a lot of shadow
docket decisions,
In
a
lot
of
shadow
docket
decisions
there's like-- there's
almost no opinion.
there's
like-
there's
almost
no
opinion
It's, like, a paragraph.
It's
like
a
paragraph
Like, on this 2016--
Like
on
this
2016-
Like just a Post-It?
Like
just
a
Post-It
Like, yeah, that's
not going to fly.
Like
yeah
that's
not
going
to
fly
It is pretty much
a judicial Post-It.
It
is
pretty
much
a
judicial
Post-It
And it has
instructions, like, that
And
it
has
instructions
like
that
are kind of legal boilerplate.
are
kind
of
legal
boilerplate
But it has no
reasoning, and reasoning
But
it
has
no
reasoning
and
reasoning
is the essence of the law.
is
the
essence
of
the
law
And is this something
that is not done--
And
is
this
something
that
is
not
done-
when did the shadow
docket appear?
when
did
the
shadow
docket
appear
And couldn't they
think of calling it
And
couldn't
they
think
of
calling
it
something less sinister
than the shadow docket?
something
less
sinister
than
the
shadow
docket
Oh.
Oh
Well, there's,
like, a whole debate
Well
there's
like
a
whole
debate
about what it should be named.
about
what
it
should
be
named
So the shadow docket
emerged slowly over time.
So
the
shadow
docket
emerged
slowly
over
time
And it definitely existed
before this 2016 case,
And
it
definitely
existed
before
this
2016
case
but it was used
in a more narrow way.
but
it
was
used
in
a
more
narrow
way
It was used mostly
for death penalty cases,
It
was
used
mostly
for
death
penalty
cases
election cases that were too--
election
cases
that
were
too-
JON STEWART: You're saying
like a literal emergency?
JON
STEWART:
You're
saying
like
a
literal
emergency
A literal emergency.
A
literal
emergency
And so what we're seeing--
and we're seeing an expansion
And
so
what
we're
seeing-
and
we're
seeing
an
expansion
of the shadow docket.
of
the
shadow
docket
And the reason why this
case was an inflection point
And
the
reason
why
this
case
was
an
inflection
point
is because the DC circuit,
which, as you know, is,
is
because
the
DC
circuit
which
as
you
know
is
like, a very big deal court--
like
a
very
big
deal
court-
JON STEWART: Oh, sure,
I love their shit.
JON
STEWART:
Oh
sure
I
love
their
shit
--was supposed
to hear the case.
-was
supposed
to
hear
the
case
And instead, the Supreme
Court jumped in front of them
And
instead
the
Supreme
Court
jumped
in
front
of
them
and made this ruling when no
other court had weighed in.
and
made
this
ruling
when
no
other
court
had
weighed
in
The way it usually works is
that the Supreme Court comes
The
way
it
usually
works
is
that
the
Supreme
Court
comes
at the end of the process.
at
the
end
of
the
process
But don't they have to be--
But
don't
they
have
to
be-
someone has to have standing
and has to petition them.
someone
has
to
have
standing
and
has
to
petition
them
They can't just jump
in and be, like, shadow docket.
They
can't
just
jump
in
and
be
like
shadow
docket
There was--
the applications came.
There
was-
the
applications
came
But what's
interesting-- and, like,
But
what's
interesting-
and
like
I would really urge
everybody to go
I
would
really
urge
everybody
to
go
online and read these memos.
online
and
read
these
memos
And also, Adam and I
annotated them to-- like,
And
also
Adam
and
I
annotated
them
to-
like
they're not really
written in English.
they're
not
really
written
in
English
They're written in, like,
a kind of legal Latin.
They're
written
in
like
a
kind
of
legal
Latin
So we did some translation
for you to be able to see.
So
we
did
some
translation
for
you
to
be
able
to
see
JON STEWART: Roberts
in the memos, if I may,
JON
STEWART:
Roberts
in
the
memos
if
I
may
seems like a little
bit of a catty bitch.
seems
like
a
little
bit
of
a
catty
bitch
Well, what I would say
is that the chief justice
Well
what
I
would
say
is
that
the
chief
justice
was in a real rush.
was
in
a
real
rush
Like, this was fast.
Like
this
was
fast
Like--
Like-
But he seemed offended
by certain things.
But
he
seemed
offended
by
certain
things
Well, he was
in a power struggle
Well
he
was
in
a
power
struggle
with the Obama
administration, which
with
the
Obama
administration
which
he felt had sidelined the court
on a previous EPA decision.
he
felt
had
sidelined
the
court
on
a
previous
EPA
decision
So you are seeing--
like, you're
So
you
are
seeing-
like
you're
seeing the chief justice be
very dismissive of colleagues'
seeing
the
chief
justice
be
very
dismissive
of
colleagues'
procedural objections
because the
procedural
objections
because
the
Democratic-appointed justices
are like, this is weird.
Democratic-appointed
justices
are
like
this
is
weird
Like, we've never
done this before.
Like
we've
never
done
this
before
Like, why would you do this?
Like
why
would
you
do
this
Like, I have serious
concerns about this.
Like
I
have
serious
concerns
about
this
And he says, we
have to go ahead.
And
he
says
we
have
to
go
ahead
This is urgent.
This
is
urgent
We have to do it this
fast because this
We
have
to
do
it
this
fast
because
this
is the most expensive program
of regulation ever imposed
is
the
most
expensive
program
of
regulation
ever
imposed
on the energy industry.
on
the
energy
industry
So he says, no,
this is an emergency.
So
he
says
no
this
is
an
emergency
It's an expensive
regulation about--
It's
an
expensive
regulation
about-
and if we don't
jump in now, it's
and
if
we
don't
jump
in
now
it's
going to cost a lot of money.
going
to
cost
a
lot
of
money
So then why not
the tariff case?
So
then
why
not
the
tariff
case
When the president levies
tariffs, why don't they, boom,
When
the
president
levies
tariffs
why
don't
they
boom
give him a shadow
docket and go,
give
him
a
shadow
docket
and
go
you can't do that
because it's going to cost
you
can't
do
that
because
it's
going
to
cost
us trillions of dollars?
us
trillions
of
dollars
It's going to put
small businesses.
It's
going
to
put
small
businesses
How is that more of a emergency
than the tariffs?
How
is
that
more
of
a
emergency
than
the
tariffs
I mean, I think what
you're asking is, like,
I
mean
I
think
what
you're
asking
is
like
has President-- you're asking,
has President Obama and
has
President-
you're
asking
has
President
Obama
and
President Trump, have
they been treated
President
Trump
have
they
been
treated
the same way by the justices--
the
same
way
by
the
justices-
I am asking that.
I
am
asking
that
[LAUGHTER]
LAUGHTER
Thank you.
Thank
you
That's what I meant.
That's
what
I
meant
So what we see--
So
what
we
see-
I mean, what
scholars have shown
I
mean
what
scholars
have
shown
is that shadow docket cases
have more partisan results--
is
that
shadow
docket
cases
have
more
partisan
results-
JON STEWART: Really?
JON
STEWART:
Really
--than the slow kind.
-than
the
slow
kind
How many more-- when
you say it was used,
How
many
more-
when
you
say
it
was
used
it's not used as much-- how
often are they using it now?
it's
not
used
as
much-
how
often
are
they
using
it
now
And how far does that number
distance it from precedent?
And
how
far
does
that
number
distance
it
from
precedent
I mean, this was
a trickle, 10 years-- like,
I
mean
this
was
a
trickle
10
years-
like
when this case we
wrote about happened,
when
this
case
we
wrote
about
happened
people were like, whoa.
people
were
like
whoa
Like, what is even
happening here?
Like
what
is
even
happening
here
Now it is a regular way
of the Court doing business.
Now
it
is
a
regular
way
of
the
Court
doing
business
We counted-- it was about
20 cases, in which--
We
counted-
it
was
about
20
cases
in
which-
Is it supposed to be
temporary, though?
Is
it
supposed
to
be
temporary
though
Is it-- when they do a shadow
docket, do they say--
Is
it-
when
they
do
a
shadow
docket
do
they
say-
That's very important.
That's
very
important
--we're just putting out
a marker, and we'll come
-we're
just
putting
out
a
marker
and
we'll
come
back to it and tell you why?
back
to
it
and
tell
you
why
So defenders
of the Court would say,
So
defenders
of
the
Court
would
say
yeah, these are
temporary decisions.
yeah
these
are
temporary
decisions
Critics of the Court
would say, but
Critics
of
the
Court
would
say
but
they have huge consequences.
they
have
huge
consequences
Like, they're deporting people.
Like
they're
deporting
people
You're not going to un-deport
somebody, necessarily.
You're
not
going
to
un-deport
somebody
necessarily
Or you're making
massive changes
Or
you're
making
massive
changes
to the federal government
that are very hard to undo.
to
the
federal
government
that
are
very
hard
to
undo
So they are temporary, but they
are hugely consequential.
So
they
are
temporary
but
they
are
hugely
consequential
Has there been
a shadow docket case
Has
there
been
a
shadow
docket
case
since Donald Trump
took office, or
since
Donald
Trump
took
office
or
in a Republican
administration, that's
in
a
Republican
administration
that's
been utilized to diminish
the power of the executive
been
utilized
to
diminish
the
power
of
the
executive
if the Republicans
are holding it?
if
the
Republicans
are
holding
it
And wouldn't that then
just grant those powers
And
wouldn't
that
then
just
grant
those
powers
to a new Democratic president
when they're elected,
to
a
new
Democratic
president
when
they're
elected
if we still have those?
if
we
still
have
those
[LAUGHTER]
LAUGHTER
I am afraid of giving you the
wrong answer, because I don't
I
am
afraid
of
giving
you
the
wrong
answer
because
I
don't
have everything in my head--
have
everything
in
my
head-
No one's going
to check-- no one.
No
one's
going
to
check-
no
one
[LAUGHTER]
LAUGHTER
These people, they
literally have the game
These
people
they
literally
have
the
game
on while this is going.
on
while
this
is
going
The most important
thing to say
The
most
important
thing
to
say
is that the cases
have been decided
is
that
the
cases
have
been
decided
overwhelmingly in President
Trump's favor so far.
overwhelmingly
in
President
Trump's
favor
so
far
But aren't-- isn't
it time we understand
But
aren't-
isn't
it
time
we
understand
that the Court is now
an explicit political tool?
that
the
Court
is
now
an
explicit
political
tool
Weren't we being naive--
when you have Leonard Leo,
Weren't
we
being
naive-
when
you
have
Leonard
Leo
in the Federalist Society,
literally growing justices
in
the
Federalist
Society
literally
growing
justices
in pods in a lab
somewhere and spending
in
pods
in
a
lab
somewhere
and
spending
millions and billions
of dollars-- shouldn't we now--
millions
and
billions
of
dollars-
shouldn't
we
now-
shouldn't we be aware of that?
shouldn't
we
be
aware
of
that
So this is one
of the questions we're
So
this
is
one
of
the
questions
we're
trying to answer at The Times.
trying
to
answer
at
The
Times
So what we've done is
we've assembled a new team.
So
what
we've
done
is
we've
assembled
a
new
team
There are five of us working
on Supreme Court reporting now.
There
are
five
of
us
working
on
Supreme
Court
reporting
now
And I think there was often
an assumption in the past
And
I
think
there
was
often
an
assumption
in
the
past
that we could write
about the decisions,
that
we
could
write
about
the
decisions
we could write about
the oral arguments,
we
could
write
about
the
oral
arguments
but we couldn't get
behind the scenes
but
we
couldn't
get
behind
the
scenes
to see how power is
really being exercised.
to
see
how
power
is
really
being
exercised
But listen, journalists
scrutinize power.
But
listen
journalists
scrutinize
power
It's what we do.
It's
what
we
do
And we can't have a Supreme
Court-sized exception
And
we
can't
have
a
Supreme
Court-sized
exception
in our compact with the public.
in
our
compact
with
the
public
So in stories like
this, in other stories,
So
in
stories
like
this
in
other
stories
we have been able to get
behind the scenes,
we
have
been
able
to
get
behind
the
scenes
because there are so many
questions about the court
because
there
are
so
many
questions
about
the
court
that we don't have answers to.
that
we
don't
have
answers
to
The place is a locked box.
The
place
is
a
locked
box
How partisan are the justices?
How
partisan
are
the
justices
Your great question.
Your
great
question
How do people age
in these jobs?
How
do
people
age
in
these
jobs
What does it mean to hold
power with no accountability
What
does
it
mean
to
hold
power
with
no
accountability
for 20 or 30 years at a time?
for
20
or
30
years
at
a
time
What's under the robe.
What's
under
the
robe
Who--
Who-
[LAUGHTER]
LAUGHTER
Who's trying to influence--
Who's
trying
to
influence-
who's trying to influence
the justices?
who's
trying
to
influence
the
justices
And so slowly, these
are the questions
And
so
slowly
these
are
the
questions
that our whole reporting
team at The Times
that
our
whole
reporting
team
at
The
Times
is starting to answer.
is
starting
to
answer
As you start to peel back
that that onion a little bit,
As
you
start
to
peel
back
that
that
onion
a
little
bit
is there a danger
that we will suffer
is
there
a
danger
that
we
will
suffer
from a nostalgia
of past courts,
from
a
nostalgia
of
past
courts
that they operated in a way
that had more integrity or
that
they
operated
in
a
way
that
had
more
integrity
or
less power politics or,
you know, not as personal,
less
power
politics
or
you
know
not
as
personal
in terms of the animus
or different things
in
terms
of
the
animus
or
different
things
that are going on?
that
are
going
on
Because we view those courts
nostalgically to some respects,
Because
we
view
those
courts
nostalgically
to
some
respects
especially, like,
the Warren court.
especially
like
the
Warren
court
It's such a great question.
It's
such
a
great
question
Courts have always
been political.
Courts
have
always
been
political
[LAUGHTER]
LAUGHTER
I mean, look, like,
the justices are
I
mean
look
like
the
justices
are
appointed by the presidents.
appointed
by
the
presidents
We totally know that.
We
totally
know
that
But the job of a justice or a
judge is to transcend, right?
But
the
job
of
a
justice
or
a
judge
is
to
transcend
right
It's to be truly independent.
It's
to
be
truly
independent
It's to look at every case.
It's
to
look
at
every
case
But we know that's bullshit.
But
we
know
that's
bullshit
We watched
the confirmation hearings.
We
watched
the
confirmation
hearings
How many times
in the confirmation hearings
How
many
times
in
the
confirmation
hearings
did those guys
go, I'm an umpire?
did
those
guys
go
I'm
an
umpire
I just call balls and strikes
and stare decisis.
I
just
call
balls
and
strikes
and
stare
decisis
It's all about precedent.
It's
all
about
precedent
And I would-- and then
as soon as they're in--
And
I
would-
and
then
as
soon
as
they're
in-
- But are you saying, Jon--
- Shadow docket!
But
are
you
saying
Jon-
Shadow
docket
But are you--
But
are
you-
but are you saying--
but do you still
but
are
you
saying-
but
do
you
still
believe that it should
be the goal of the courts
believe
that
it
should
be
the
goal
of
the
courts
to transcend political bias?
to
transcend
political
bias
Yes.
Yes
So like--
So
like-
They should.
They
should
Yes.
Yes
Will that put pressure
on them to do so,
Will
that
put
pressure
on
them
to
do
so
or are they ultimately
just captured
or
are
they
ultimately
just
captured
by the same political industry
that captures everything else?
by
the
same
political
industry
that
captures
everything
else
I mean, I'm
a reporter because I
I
mean
I'm
a
reporter
because
I
believe that information makes
everything essentially better.
believe
that
information
makes
everything
essentially
better
And we're having a lot
of debate about this country,
And
we're
having
a
lot
of
debate
about
this
country
about the Supreme Court.
about
the
Supreme
Court
I want us to have the most
information possible so
I
want
us
to
have
the
most
information
possible
so
that we can have
the healthiest,
that
we
can
have
the
healthiest
richest, fairest debate
about these, like, pretty
richest
fairest
debate
about
these
like
pretty
difficult questions.
difficult
questions
I mean, people are talking
about packing the court.
I
mean
people
are
talking
about
packing
the
court
You know, we're the only
constitutional democracy
You
know
we're
the
only
constitutional
democracy
without age limits
or term limits for--
without
age
limits
or
term
limits
for-
Oh, it's bananas.
Oh
it's
bananas
--judges And so I
think there's going
-judges
And
so
I
think
there's
going
to be a lot of debate
about that too, right?
to
be
a
lot
of
debate
about
that
too
right
And so we just--
it's hard to have
And
so
we
just-
it's
hard
to
have
a really great debate about
a place that is totally secret.
a
really
great
debate
about
a
place
that
is
totally
secret
So that is why we are
trying to cast some light.
So
that
is
why
we
are
trying
to
cast
some
light
I can't even tell you
what a beautiful sentiment
I
can't
even
tell
you
what
a
beautiful
sentiment
I find in that, which
is, you're right.
I
find
in
that
which
is
you're
right
It may be corrupted,
and it may be operating
It
may
be
corrupted
and
it
may
be
operating
on a partisan principle.
on
a
partisan
principle
But isn't the idea
to get us more and more
But
isn't
the
idea
to
get
us
more
and
more
information because that's
the only way to improve it?
information
because
that's
the
only
way
to
improve
it
Sometimes that's lost in the
shouting and the clicking and
Sometimes
that's
lost
in
the
shouting
and
the
clicking
and
all those different things.
all
those
different
things
I think that's exactly the
sentiment that we've forgotten.
I
think
that's
exactly
the
sentiment
that
we've
forgotten
Well, thank you
Well
thank
you
Yeah.
Yeah
It's excellent.
It's
excellent
And then you wrote
another book.
And
then
you
wrote
another
book
And I didn't get to that one.
And
I
didn't
get
to
that
one
[LAUGHTER]
LAUGHTER
It's for your kids so you--
It's
for
your
kids
so
you-
- This is for my kids?
- --might want to take a look.
This
is
for
my
kids
-might
want
to
take
a
look
Yeah.
- It better be a picture book.
Yeah
It
better
be
a
picture
book
[LAUGHTER]
LAUGHTER
And it better be
about looksmaxxing.
And
it
better
be
about
looksmaxxing
[LAUGHTER]
LAUGHTER
This was advice you gave
to college graduates, who
This
was
advice
you
gave
to
college
graduates
who
are-- it was a--
you're giving a speech
are-
it
was
a-
you're
giving
a
speech
at Columbia about graduates.
at
Columbia
about
graduates
And this was kind of the advice
you were handing off.
And
this
was
kind
of
the
advice
you
were
handing
off
Well, it was
a crazy situation.
Well
it
was
a
crazy
situation
Remember, like,
the chaos at Columbia?
Remember
like
the
chaos
at
Columbia
JON STEWART: I'm familiar.
JON
STEWART:
I'm
familiar
So in the middle of it.
So
in
the
middle
of
it
I get an email
from them saying,
I
get
an
email
from
them
saying
will you give the undergraduate
commencement speech?
will
you
give
the
undergraduate
commencement
speech
And it's like an honor,
but also kind of a bad
And
it's
like
an
honor
but
also
kind
of
a
bad
offer right?
offer
right
And so my friends
from college--
And
so
my
friends
from
college-
We're going out of business.
We're
going
out
of
business
[LAUGHTER]
LAUGHTER
And we were wondering--
And
we
were
wondering-
So my college friends
are like, don't do it.
So
my
college
friends
are
like
don't
do
it
Call in sick.
Call
in
sick
Like, you're going
to get booed.
Like
you're
going
to
get
booed
And I was like, give me
those kids for 15 minutes.
And
I
was
like
give
me
those
kids
for
15
minutes
Because I was so upset
as a reporter, as a mom,
Because
I
was
so
upset
as
a
reporter
as
a
mom
as a citizen, like,
seeing this place that
as
a
citizen
like
seeing
this
place
that
stands for enlightenment
and discussion just
stands
for
enlightenment
and
discussion
just
descend into total toxicity.
descend
into
total
toxicity
So I was like, OK, I'll do it.
So
I
was
like
OK
I'll
do
it
Thank you.
Thank
you
I'm honored.
I'm
honored
But I need to talk
to the students,
But
I
need
to
talk
to
the
students
because I got to read
this room very carefully.
because
I
got
to
read
this
room
very
carefully
So I get on a Zoom
with the students,
So
I
get
on
a
Zoom
with
the
students
and they ask me
a great question.
and
they
ask
me
a
great
question
They say, we chose you
because of your career.
They
say
we
chose
you
because
of
your
career
And we want to know, how,
in this crazy environment,
And
we
want
to
know
how
in
this
crazy
environment
are we supposed to find
and start our life's work?
are
we
supposed
to
find
and
start
our
life's
work
And I was like, this is awesome
because that is such a hard--
And
I
was
like
this
is
awesome
because
that
is
such
a
hard-
it's, like, such
a good question.
it's
like
such
a
good
question
And I knew--
And
I
knew-
And this environment
is very different.
And
this
environment
is
very
different
It's not-- no longer bound
by the traditional paths.
It's
not-
no
longer
bound
by
the
traditional
paths
It is-- well, speaking
of the word generational,
It
is-
well
speaking
of
the
word
generational
this fear is generational.
this
fear
is
generational
I have spoken at campuses
all across the country--
I
have
spoken
at
campuses
all
across
the
country-
the elite universities,
the more humble universities.
the
elite
universities
the
more
humble
universities
There are common fears, right?
There
are
common
fears
right
But I don't want to spend all
our time tonight on the fears
But
I
don't
want
to
spend
all
our
time
tonight
on
the
fears
because, like, we all know
what the negatives are.
because
like
we
all
know
what
the
negatives
are
JON STEWART: Me neither.
JON
STEWART:
Me
neither
The interesting--
The
interesting-
I'm not that guy.
I'm
not
that
guy
Do you think I'm that guy?
Do
you
think
I'm
that
guy
Is that what you're suggesting?
Is
that
what
you're
suggesting
I'm not that guy.
I'm
not
that
guy
I heard you say
before you were
I
heard
you
say
before
you
were
a little concerned about AI.
a
little
concerned
about
AI
But the-- the really
interesting
But
the-
the
really
interesting
question is, like,
what are young people
question
is
like
what
are
young
people
actually supposed to do?
actually
supposed
to
do
Like, what does a positive,
productive response
Like
what
does
a
positive
productive
response
look like in this environment?
look
like
in
this
environment
So that's what
this book is about.
So
that's
what
this
book
is
about
So you can either
read the book
So
you
can
either
read
the
book
and get it and find that out.
and
get
it
and
find
that
out
Or you could probably just run
the question through ChatGPT,
Or
you
could
probably
just
run
the
question
through
ChatGPT
I would think.
I
would
think
You know just what to say
to an author, Jon Stewart.
You
know
just
what
to
say
to
an
author
Jon
Stewart
You're doing
unbelievably great work.
You're
doing
unbelievably
great
work
Thank you so much.
Thank
you
so
much
I so appreciate
you being here.
I
so
appreciate
you
being
here
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