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So Declan, we're speaking about what 36
So Declan we're speaking about what 36
hours after the Wolves game. Head's
hours after the Wolves game Head's
still spinning a little bit. You still
still spinning a little bit You still
processing that?
processing that
Yeah, really, really difficult
Yeah really really difficult
to process in the moment. I think right
to process in the moment I think right
now I process I processed it, digested
now I process I processed it digested
it. Obviously, because we have such a
it Obviously because we have such a
big game on Sunday, we can't dwell on
big game on Sunday we can't dwell on
the other night too much. Um, but from
the other night too much Um but from
our standards, it was to be 2-0 up with
our standards it was to be 2-0 up with
with half an hour to play. You know,
with half an hour to play You know
you've seen us in games this season,
you've seen us in games this season
we've go on to win that three or four um
we've go on to win that three or four um
or we see the game out of two-0. So to
or we see the game out of two-0 So to
come back and for them to come back and
come back and for them to come back and
draw two all was was sickening and very
draw two all was was sickening and very
very disappointing in the end.
very disappointing in the end
Can you put your finger on what happened
Can you put your finger on what happened
in that last sort of half an hour?
in that last sort of half an hour
We just stopped doing the basics.
We just stopped doing the basics
Why?
Why
I don't I don't know. It's easy for
I don't I don't know It's easy for
people to say, "Oh, they're doing this,
people to say Oh they're doing this
they're doing that." In a game of
they're doing that In a game of
football, it swings both ways all the
football it swings both ways all the
time. We ended up getting into the game
time We ended up getting into the game
they wanted to play, which was jewels,
they wanted to play which was jewels
long balls, giving them silly fouls.
long balls giving them silly fouls
They kept putting the ball in the box
They kept putting the ball in the box
and we're constantly on the back foot.
and we're constantly on the back foot
We didn't really get a foothold in in
We didn't really get a foothold in in
the game after the goal, which is what's
the game after the goal which is what's
disappointing because at 2-0 up, you
disappointing because at 2-0 up you
think we're going to walk away with it.
think we're going to walk away with it
Um,
Um
but look, it's one of them things.
but look it's one of them things
Mistakes happen in football. It's part
Mistakes happen in football It's part
of the journey that that we're on. It's
of the journey that that we're on It's
never going to be like playing sailing
never going to be like playing sailing
every single week. Obviously, it was a
every single week Obviously it was a
real kick in the teeth because it was
real kick in the teeth because it was
three points that were there for you.
three points that were there for you
Um, but that doesn't stop what we want
Um but that doesn't stop what we want
to go for and what we want to achieve,
to go for and what we want to achieve
you know, and that's why, you know,
you know and that's why you know
today, yesterday, I was still thinking
today yesterday I was still thinking
about the game. Um, but I've come in
about the game Um but I've come in
today and I I feel, you know, really
today and I I feel you know really
more relaxed about it just because not
more relaxed about it just because not
about the result, but just in terms of
about the result but just in terms of
my mindset and things like that.
my mindset and things like that
You have to move on, right?
You have to move on right
Yeah, you have to move on. And obviously
Yeah you have to move on And obviously
with the game that's coming next and the
with the game that's coming next and the
week after, um, we need to be ready for
week after um we need to be ready for
that. When you've had a a bad day or a
that When you've had a a bad day or a
disappointing result, do you have a
disappointing result do you have a
process for moving on? Like what are you
process for moving on Like what are you
like after the game? How are you the
like after the game How are you the
next day? How do you handle it?
next day How do you handle it
The manager is really, really good at
The manager is really really good at
calming down situations. Um you see a
calming down situations Um you see a
lot of talk of
lot of talk of
what's it going to be like in the
what's it going to be like in the
changing room? What are players going to
changing room What are players going to
be saying to each other?
be saying to each other
Like us as players, trust me, if you
Like us as players trust me if you
were in there the other night, you would
were in there the other night you would
see how much it means to us. Yeah.
see how much it means to us Yeah
Um, and that's the level we need to be
Um and that's the level we need to be
at because if you if you want to win
at because if you if you want to win
stuff, you need to be able to demand
stuff you need to be able to demand
stuff of each other and say truths in
stuff of each other and say truths in
the moment, you know. Um, I've had them
the moment you know Um I've had them
done to me, you know, other players have
done to me you know other players have
had them done to themselves in their
had them done to themselves in their
time. And that's just part of trying to
time And that's just part of trying to
build a winning culture. Um, and I think
build a winning culture Um and I think
that's where the manager, like I said,
that's where the manager like I said
comes in because he comes in always from
comes in because he comes in always from
different angles and puts perspective on
different angles and puts perspective on
things and, you know, is really calm and
things and you know is really calm and
obviously yesterday we had a had a day
obviously yesterday we had a had a day
off um to clear our minds obviously and
off um to clear our minds obviously and
then now we're going into Spurs and um
then now we're going into Spurs and um
we're going to be ready.
we're going to be ready
So go on then. You touched on it there.
So go on then You touched on it there
Take us into that changing room in the
Take us into that changing room in the
moments after the Wolves game. It was it
moments after the Wolves game It was it
was volatile, was it? I think from the
was volatile was it I think from the
moment I come in to the moment where
moment I come in to the moment where
we're at now, I've seen a big difference
we're at now I've seen a big difference
in terms of after games and the
in terms of after games and the
mentality of the boys in terms of if
mentality of the boys in terms of if
things ain't right, things will get
things ain't right things will get
brought up uh and things will get said
brought up uh and things will get said
in the moment even if it's heated.
in the moment even if it's heated
But 5 10 minutes after that, you know,
But 5 10 minutes after that you know
you'll shake hands and you know it's
you'll shake hands and you know it's
over. But that's what it's about. You
over But that's what it's about You
know, I've seen documentaries on top
know I've seen documentaries on top
teams over the years and how they push
teams over the years and how they push
and demand from each other and when bad
and demand from each other and when bad
moments come um
moments come um
saying something and getting something
saying something and getting something
off your chest that you feel can
off your chest that you feel can
actually help the situation. Um
actually help the situation Um
so I think the other night that was
so I think the other night that was
needed because at 2-0 we should have
needed because at 2-0 we should have
went on to win the game. We know the
went on to win the game We know the
position we're in. Um, but like I said,
position we're in Um but like I said
we've all just come in this morning and
we've all just come in this morning and
you know, we're men, you know, we shook
you know we're men you know we shook
hands the other night. It was
hands the other night It was
disappointing. It was it was not nice,
disappointing It was it was not nice
but we've come in now. We're ready to go
but we've come in now We're ready to go
for Spurs. So,
for Spurs So
and what would you say about
and what would you say about
like form in general at the moment? Two
like form in general at the moment Two
wins in seven.
wins in seven
Yeah.
Yeah
Like, how do you explain that?
Like how do you explain that
Yeah, it's obviously not looking good on
Yeah it's obviously not looking good on
paper. I think my thing is I've looked
paper I think my thing is I've looked
yesterday at the
yesterday at the
at the results that we've had and the
at the results that we've had and the
goals we've conceded and I think the
goals we've conceded and I think the
goals that we're conceding is we're
goals that we're conceding is we're
self-inflicted goals. Um I could go
self-inflicted goals Um I could go
through so many goals but just where
through so many goals but just where
we'd make a mistake and we give the game
we'd make a mistake and we give the game
back into the opponent whether it's from
back into the opponent whether it's from
like a second phase or like the first
like a second phase or like the first
phase of a corner where we're usually so
phase of a corner where we're usually so
strong.
strong
Yeah. Is that is that letting things
Yeah Is that is that letting things
back in? No, it's not it's not become a
back in No it's not it's not become a
habit because it's it's been our strong
habit because it's it's been our strong
point. You know, our defense has been
point You know our defense has been
incredible. Everyone's in sync from from
incredible Everyone's in sync from from
front to back, but there comes points in
front to back but there comes points in
the season you ain't going to be perfect
the season you ain't going to be perfect
for the whole season. What we was doing
for the whole season What we was doing
at the start of the season,
at the start of the season
there was talks of can they go on to do
there was talks of can they go on to do
clean sheets and there was never any
clean sheets and there was never any
thought of that from us because this is
thought of that from us because this is
the Premier League now. Like you're
the Premier League now Like you're
playing against the best players week in
playing against the best players week in
week out and any team can surprise you.
week out and any team can surprise you
Wolves.
Wolves
like everyone would have thought oh
like everyone would have thought oh
going to win comfortably at Wolves. They
going to win comfortably at Wolves They
have good players. Um, and that's why
have good players Um and that's why
you got to be switched on 24/7 in this
you got to be switched on 24/7 in this
league because you can get hurt at any
league because you can get hurt at any
time.
time
I suppose what a lot of people are
I suppose what a lot of people are
looking at it at the moment and thinking
looking at it at the moment and thinking
because over the last few years you've
because over the last few years you've
not got over the line. Is the weight of
not got over the line Is the weight of
that is the pressure of that playing a
that is the pressure of that playing a
part in the performances and in the
part in the performances and in the
results? What do you think?
results What do you think
Me playing? No. Like this is just
Me playing No Like this is just
another day. It's another game. Like of
another day It's another game Like of
course we're first and outside noise and
course we're first and outside noise and
I've fans from other teams people going
I've fans from other teams people going
to talk it up. We're on our own journey.
to talk it up We're on our own journey
We're on our own path and we fully
We're on our own path and we fully
believe in each other here. We want to
believe in each other here We want to
do it because we've got such a good core
do it because we've got such a good core
group, such quality players now that we
group such quality players now that we
can do it and it shows that then we can
can do it and it shows that then we can
flick a page in terms of people talking
flick a page in terms of people talking
about that mentality. Well, one thing
about that mentality Well one thing
that stuck with me after the Man United
that stuck with me after the Man United
game, the manager talking about look at
game the manager talking about look at
the position that we've earned for
the position that we've earned for
ourselves. We have to enjoy this.
ourselves We have to enjoy this
This might be completely wrong cuz
This might be completely wrong cuz
obviously I'm not inside it. It does
obviously I'm not inside it It does
sometimes feel at the moment like you're
sometimes feel at the moment like you're
not enjoying it. Is that Is that wrong?
not enjoying it Is that Is that wrong
Is it right?
Is it right
No, we enjoy every day. Like every day
No we enjoy every day Like every day
coming in here with these teammates like
coming in here with these teammates like
the manager, the coaching staff, I can
the manager the coaching staff I can
tell you now is it's unreal. Like you
tell you now is it's unreal Like you
enjoy it. Of course you do. This is our
enjoy it Of course you do This is our
job. You know, we're playing for
job You know we're playing for
Arsenal, you know, final the cup, next
Arsenal you know final the cup next
round of the FA Cup, final in the first
round of the FA Cup final in the first
phase of the Champions League, first in
phase of the Champions League first in
the Premier League. So we we need some
the Premier League So we we need some
perspective about where we are, but also
perspective about where we are but also
we need to look a bit bigger to
we need to look a bit bigger to
understand that if we carry on doing
understand that if we carry on doing
what we're doing in terms of the
what we're doing in terms of the
results, it isn't going to last. Uh, so
results it isn't going to last Uh so
it's on us as players to pick that up
it's on us as players to pick that up
because we have it in us to win every
because we have it in us to win every
game. I believe that. I genuinely
game I believe that I genuinely
believe with this group, with this
believe with this group with this
players, what we've done here before, I
players what we've done here before I
can see us,
can see us
we could go on a run and easily win
we could go on a run and easily win
games, but it's on us, you know, it's
games but it's on us you know it's
going to be switched on. You're going to
going to be switched on You're going to
be ready for everything that's thrown at
be ready for everything that's thrown at
you. Um, because that's what's needed
you Um because that's what's needed
for these for these final games. as I
for these for these final games as I
think the manager said after the game,
think the manager said after the game
straight after Wolves, you know, is the
straight after Wolves you know is the
next game the perfect game.
next game the perfect game
100%. I think North London Derby is
100 I think North London Derby is
always special. Um, you know, I've been
always special Um you know I've been
able to play in a few of them now and
able to play in a few of them now and
understand the rivalry, understand, you
understand the rivalry understand you
know, who you're playing up against,
know who you're playing up against
what it means. Um, and yeah, on Sunday
what it means Um and yeah on Sunday
isn't just going to be about football,
isn't just going to be about football
it's going to be about how much you want
it's going to be about how much you want
it as well. you know, you're going away
it as well you know you're going away
to Spurs to have a new manager.
to Spurs to have a new manager
Um, obviously, yeah, they've had loads
Um obviously yeah they've had loads
of injuries, but it's going to be a game
of injuries but it's going to be a game
both of us are going to want to win. Um,
both of us are going to want to win Um
and there'd be a lot of quality on the
and there'd be a lot of quality on the
pitch, but that day is it's all in your
pitch but that day is it's all in your
mind. You know, how much do you really
mind You know how much do you really
want it? And, uh,
want it And uh
yeah, you've got to fight for it. And
yeah you've got to fight for it And
trust me, I want it. So, yeah, we're
trust me I want it So yeah we're
going to be ready. I feel like it's not
going to be ready I feel like it's not
that other games don't suit you, but
that other games don't suit you but
it's kind of your type of match, you
it's kind of your type of match you
know, like a a battle, a fight,
know like a a battle a fight
something you can sort of chuck yourself
something you can sort of chuck yourself
into, lead from the front.
into lead from the front
Yeah.
Yeah
Are they you relish every game, I'm
Are they you relish every game I'm
sure, but you look at this one and
sure but you look at this one and
think, "Yeah,
think Yeah
I'll have a bit of this."
I'll have a bit of this
Yeah, definitely. I think getting to
Yeah definitely I think getting to
play away as well. I've only been able
play away as well I've only been able
to do that once for Arsenal at that
to do that once for Arsenal at that
Spurs stadium. So, look, it's going to
Spurs stadium So look it's going to
be it's going to be tense because
be it's going to be tense because
obviously we're going away today. Like I
obviously we're going away today Like I
said, they got the new manager up. We've
said they got the new manager up We've
got to be ready for everything that's
got to be ready for everything that's
thrown at us and we've got to gain that
thrown at us and we've got to gain that
energy off the crowd, you know, from
energy off the crowd you know from
within. You've got to think every fan in
within You've got to think every fan in
here, other than the Ar fans, you know,
here other than the Ar fans you know
they're trying to beat us today and that
they're trying to beat us today and that
Yeah, you you have to I think, you know,
Yeah you you have to I think you know
you've got to you got to enjoy these
you've got to you got to enjoy these
moments. Um, for sure, but I believe in
moments Um for sure but I believe in
this team. I believe in this squad and I
this team I believe in this squad and I
know what we can do and what we're
know what we can do and what we're
capable of. So, yeah, we're going to be
capable of So yeah we're going to be
ready.
ready
Do you think your the team performance
Do you think your the team performance
in the first game against Spurs was your
in the first game against Spurs was your
best or or maybe maybe your most fluent
best or or maybe maybe your most fluent
performance of the season?
performance of the season
I think it was a really good
I think it was a really good
performance. Um because we we dominated
performance Um because we we dominated
them in every phase of play. The high
them in every phase of play The high
press, you know, mid block, defensive
press you know mid block defensive
block. We really was really good that
block We really was really good that
day. um probably one of our best
day um probably one of our best
performances of the season, but you also
performances of the season but you also
get that extra energy when it's when
get that extra energy when it's when
it's a London derby, when it's Spurs, uh
it's a London derby when it's Spurs uh
when you're at home, it gets spoken
when you're at home it gets spoken
about so much. So, that that result that
about so much So that that result that
day didn't didn't surprise me.
day didn't didn't surprise me
I want to ask you about EZ cuz you
I want to ask you about EZ cuz you
obviously know what it's like being a
obviously know what it's like being a
new player coming in big fee and having
new player coming in big fee and having
to impress. He was unbelievable that
to impress He was unbelievable that
day, but it's probably been more
day but it's probably been more
difficult since. What do you see from
difficult since What do you see from
him? and and how big is that challenge
him and and how big is that challenge
when you when you make the step up? You
when you when you make the step up You
you had a very similar thing.
you had a very similar thing
Yeah, it's a it's a massive step and
Yeah it's a it's a massive step and
he's coped with it amazingly well. Even
he's coped with it amazingly well Even
though it looks like he's not played a
though it looks like he's not played a
lot of game, he has played so many games
lot of game he has played so many games
for us already and he's done amazing for
for us already and he's done amazing for
us and his mindset and the way he
us and his mindset and the way he
trains, the way he looks after his body,
trains the way he looks after his body
um the way he is with the boys. I've
um the way he is with the boys I've
never seen a player settle so quickly
never seen a player settle so quickly
with lads like EZ has done. Um, so
with lads like EZ has done Um so
that's credit to him, but I see his
that's credit to him but I see his
quality every day and
quality every day and
we have a special player on our hands
we have a special player on our hands
and it's it's it's down to us and
and it's it's it's down to us and
obviously down to him to keep getting
obviously down to him to keep getting
the best out of himself because, you
the best out of himself because you
know, he's more than capable of doing
know he's more than capable of doing
anything on a football pitch. Some of
anything on a football pitch Some of
the stuff he does with the ball on a
the stuff he does with the ball on a
pitch, you're just like, how do you even
pitch you're just like how do you even
do that? He just glides with the ball
do that He just glides with the ball
beautifully. So yeah, we need to keep
beautifully So yeah we need to keep
getting the best out of him. You know,
getting the best out of him You know
he's done amazing for us so far. Um, but
he's done amazing for us so far Um but
there's much more to come. It's only his
there's much more to come It's only his
first season, so yeah, much more to
first season so yeah much more to
come. Also wanted to ask you about how
come Also wanted to ask you about how
football has changed, Premier League has
football has changed Premier League has
changed. How much has the league changed
changed How much has the league changed
in the last or even during the course of
in the last or even during the course of
this season?
this season
Yeah, so so so much. I think this is my
Yeah so so so much I think this is my
10th season in the Prem. I would
10th season in the Prem I would
probably say
probably say
this has probably been one of the
this has probably been one of the
probably is the toughest in terms of
probably is the toughest in terms of
that it's been.
that it's been
Do you mean the quality, the
Do you mean the quality the
physicality, both?
physicality both
I I think I think the quality. Yeah, I
I I think I think the quality Yeah I
think a lot of people have an opinion
think a lot of people have an opinion
that the Prem is not where is the Prem
that the Prem is not where is the Prem
is not where it's at at the minute. But
is not where it's at at the minute But
you could ask any player in the Premier
you could ask any player in the Premier
League, they'll tell you the opposite. I
League they'll tell you the opposite I
think a lot of people the game has
think a lot of people the game has
changed in terms of probably
changed in terms of probably
physicality, jewels, set pieces, trying
physicality jewels set pieces trying
to gain an advantage wherever you can.
to gain an advantage wherever you can
Yeah,
Yeah
that that's that's where that's where
that that's that's where that's where
it's changed. And in terms of the
it's changed And in terms of the
quality, every time you play against a
quality every time you play against a
team now, every team's got two or three,
team now every team's got two or three
four players who have world class
four players who have world class
ability and are very good and on their
ability and are very good and on their
day, if you're not switched on, they can
day if you're not switched on they can
punish you. Um, so this year's not been
punish you Um so this year's not been
easy. It's not been a walk in the park.
easy It's not been a walk in the park
You know, we've done really well because
You know we've done really well because
as a collective, our 11 starters, the
as a collective our 11 starters the
players that have come off the bench
players that have come off the bench
have all chipped in and helped us with
have all chipped in and helped us with
goals in the moment. Um,
goals in the moment Um
so yeah, I think that's why it's it's
so yeah I think that's why it's it's
been tough, but the Premier League is uh
been tough but the Premier League is uh
it's definitely changing.
it's definitely changing
And Sunday will be your hundth Premier
And Sunday will be your hundth Premier
League appearance for Arsenal. I mean,
League appearance for Arsenal I mean
firstly, that's gone quick, hasn't it?
firstly that's gone quick hasn't it
But also in so many ways in the way
But also in so many ways in the way
you've progressed, become, I think, a
you've progressed become I think a
more versatile player.
more versatile player
um talked about whenever there's
um talked about whenever there's
discussions about the best player in
discussions about the best player in
your position. Do you feel like in so
your position Do you feel like in so
many ways it's just gone, you know, as
many ways it's just gone you know as
well as it could have done really?
well as it could have done really
Yeah, definitely. I think um
Yeah definitely I think um
I've just tried to work as hard as hard
I've just tried to work as hard as hard
as I can and give it everything I've
as I can and give it everything I've
got. I watched a good podcast of like
got I watched a good podcast of like
Steven Gerrard um with Rio Ferdinand the
Steven Gerrard um with Rio Ferdinand the
other week and he was just talking about
other week and he was just talking about
himself as a midfielder and like what he
himself as a midfielder and like what he
was and he just he didn't put him down
was and he just he didn't put him down
to like one thing. He just said he's a
to like one thing He just said he's a
midfielder that could have done a bit of
midfielder that could have done a bit of
everything, but he was the best at doing
everything but he was the best at doing
everything. And I think he's someone
everything And I think he's someone
that I love to look up to and look look
that I love to look up to and look look
forward to. Um, just because of how he
forward to Um just because of how he
was on the pitch, his demeanor, how he
was on the pitch his demeanor how he
took games by the scruff of the neck,
took games by the scruff of the neck
the fight he showed, the passion. Um,
the fight he showed the passion Um
and over the years I've tried to watch
and over the years I've tried to watch
him as much as possible. And I think
him as much as possible And I think
I've started to grow into that much
I've started to grow into that much
more. Still, uh, a long way off before I
more Still uh a long way off before I
hit his level. Um but yeah, I think he's
hit his level Um but yeah I think he's
someone I've really tried to emulate
someone I've really tried to emulate
since I've moved into this boxto-box
since I've moved into this boxto-box
role and
role and
it's really he's really helped me. So um
it's really he's really helped me So um
yeah, I want to keep going. 100 games
yeah I want to keep going 100 games
for Arsenal in the Premier League is,
for Arsenal in the Premier League is
you know, special. Uh so yeah, I'm
you know special Uh so yeah I'm
really happy.
really happy
And you know what? I think back to all
And you know what I think back to all
the interviews I've done with you over
the interviews I've done with you over
the years and you've always said there's
the years and you've always said there's
much more to come and you've been right.
much more to come and you've been right
And do you still feel that?
And do you still feel that
Yeah, 100%. And I think every year when
Yeah 100 And I think every year when
the season ends, I look at myself and I
the season ends I look at myself and I
think where can you my well my dad used
think where can you my well my dad used
to say it to me. How are you going to
to say it to me How are you going to
get how you going to get better again?
get how you going to get better again
Like how are you not going to stall that
Like how are you not going to stall that
other people go past you? You know, you
other people go past you You know you
need to have this mindset that you're
need to have this mindset that you're
just going to keep getting better and
just going to keep getting better and
better. And I think consistency plays a
better And I think consistency plays a
massive part in my game. Um knowing how
massive part in my game Um knowing how
to play well, knowing when to do the
to play well knowing when to do the
right things, right? So yeah, look, I
right things right So yeah look I
think there is much more to come from
think there is much more to come from
me. I think this season's been amazing.
me I think this season's been amazing
still so so much more football to be
still so so much more football to be
played. Um, but I do think I can still
played Um but I do think I can still
go to more levels. So, yeah, exciting
go to more levels So yeah exciting
times to come.
times to come
And very lastly, we sort of said it's
And very lastly we sort of said it's
gone almost perfectly. I mean, we know
gone almost perfectly I mean we know
the one thing to add, don't we? It's the
the one thing to add don't we It's the
trophies.
trophies
Yeah, 100%. Um, I think that that's what
Yeah 100 Um I think that that's what
we all want as players. That's what the
we all want as players That's what the
manager wants. I think we're we're so
manager wants I think we're we're so
driven and hungry to try and win
driven and hungry to try and win
something. I think if you come in and
something I think if you come in and
see us, you know, there's a group of
see us you know there's a group of
boys here that,
boys here that
like I said, the mindset's changed in
like I said the mindset's changed in
terms of we know what we want and we
terms of we know what we want and we
know we're in a great position to go and
know we're in a great position to go and
do it, but it's on us. So, a big fight
do it but it's on us So a big fight
coming up over the next two, three
coming up over the next two three
months, but one we're going to relish.
months but one we're going to relish
Good man. Top man.
Good man Top man
So Declan, we're speaking about what 36
So Declan we're speaking about what 36
hours after the Wolves game. Head's
hours after the Wolves game Head's
still spinning a little bit. You still
still spinning a little bit You still
processing that?
processing that
Yeah, really, really difficult
Yeah really really difficult
to process in the moment. I think right
to process in the moment I think right
now I process I processed it, digested
now I process I processed it digested
it. Obviously, because we have such a
it Obviously because we have such a
big game on Sunday, we can't dwell on
big game on Sunday we can't dwell on
the other night too much. Um, but from
the other night too much Um but from
our standards, it was to be 2-0 up with
our standards it was to be 2-0 up with
with half an hour to play. You know,
with half an hour to play You know
you've seen us in games this season,
you've seen us in games this season
we've go on to win that three or four um
we've go on to win that three or four um
or we see the game out of two-0. So to
or we see the game out of two-0 So to
come back and for them to come back and
come back and for them to come back and
draw two all was was sickening and very
draw two all was was sickening and very
very disappointing in the end.
very disappointing in the end
Can you put your finger on what happened
Can you put your finger on what happened
in that last sort of half an hour?
in that last sort of half an hour
We just stopped doing the basics.
We just stopped doing the basics
Why?
Why
I don't I don't know. It's easy for
I don't I don't know It's easy for
people to say, "Oh, they're doing this,
people to say Oh they're doing this
they're doing that." In a game of
they're doing that In a game of
football, it swings both ways all the
football it swings both ways all the
time. We ended up getting into the game
time We ended up getting into the game
they wanted to play, which was jewels,
they wanted to play which was jewels
long balls, giving them silly fouls.
long balls giving them silly fouls
They kept putting the ball in the box
They kept putting the ball in the box
and we're constantly on the back foot.
and we're constantly on the back foot
We didn't really get a foothold in in
We didn't really get a foothold in in
the game after the goal, which is what's
the game after the goal which is what's
disappointing because at 2-0 up, you
disappointing because at 2-0 up you
think we're going to walk away with it.
think we're going to walk away with it
Um,
Um
but look, it's one of them things.
but look it's one of them things
Mistakes happen in football. It's part
Mistakes happen in football It's part
of the journey that that we're on. It's
of the journey that that we're on It's
never going to be like playing sailing
never going to be like playing sailing
every single week. Obviously, it was a
every single week Obviously it was a
real kick in the teeth because it was
real kick in the teeth because it was
three points that were there for you.
three points that were there for you
Um, but that doesn't stop what we want
Um but that doesn't stop what we want
to go for and what we want to achieve,
to go for and what we want to achieve
you know, and that's why, you know,
you know and that's why you know
today, yesterday, I was still thinking
today yesterday I was still thinking
about the game. Um, but I've come in
about the game Um but I've come in
today and I I feel, you know, really
today and I I feel you know really
more relaxed about it just because not
more relaxed about it just because not
about the result, but just in terms of
about the result but just in terms of
my mindset and things like that.
my mindset and things like that
You have to move on, right?
You have to move on right
Yeah, you have to move on. And obviously
Yeah you have to move on And obviously
with the game that's coming next and the
with the game that's coming next and the
week after, um, we need to be ready for
week after um we need to be ready for
that. When you've had a a bad day or a
that When you've had a a bad day or a
disappointing result, do you have a
disappointing result do you have a
process for moving on? Like what are you
process for moving on Like what are you
like after the game? How are you the
like after the game How are you the
next day? How do you handle it?
next day How do you handle it
The manager is really, really good at
The manager is really really good at
calming down situations. Um you see a
calming down situations Um you see a
lot of talk of
lot of talk of
what's it going to be like in the
what's it going to be like in the
changing room? What are players going to
changing room What are players going to
be saying to each other?
be saying to each other
Like us as players, trust me, if you
Like us as players trust me if you
were in there the other night, you would
were in there the other night you would
see how much it means to us. Yeah.
see how much it means to us Yeah
Um, and that's the level we need to be
Um and that's the level we need to be
at because if you if you want to win
at because if you if you want to win
stuff, you need to be able to demand
stuff you need to be able to demand
stuff of each other and say truths in
stuff of each other and say truths in
the moment, you know. Um, I've had them
the moment you know Um I've had them
done to me, you know, other players have
done to me you know other players have
had them done to themselves in their
had them done to themselves in their
time. And that's just part of trying to
time And that's just part of trying to
build a winning culture. Um, and I think
build a winning culture Um and I think
that's where the manager, like I said,
that's where the manager like I said
comes in because he comes in always from
comes in because he comes in always from
different angles and puts perspective on
different angles and puts perspective on
things and, you know, is really calm and
things and you know is really calm and
obviously yesterday we had a had a day
obviously yesterday we had a had a day
off um to clear our minds obviously and
off um to clear our minds obviously and
then now we're going into Spurs and um
then now we're going into Spurs and um
we're going to be ready.
we're going to be ready
So go on then. You touched on it there.
So go on then You touched on it there
Take us into that changing room in the
Take us into that changing room in the
moments after the Wolves game. It was it
moments after the Wolves game It was it
was volatile, was it? I think from the
was volatile was it I think from the
moment I come in to the moment where
moment I come in to the moment where
we're at now, I've seen a big difference
we're at now I've seen a big difference
in terms of after games and the
in terms of after games and the
mentality of the boys in terms of if
mentality of the boys in terms of if
things ain't right, things will get
things ain't right things will get
brought up uh and things will get said
brought up uh and things will get said
in the moment even if it's heated.
in the moment even if it's heated
But 5 10 minutes after that, you know,
But 5 10 minutes after that you know
you'll shake hands and you know it's
you'll shake hands and you know it's
over. But that's what it's about. You
over But that's what it's about You
know, I've seen documentaries on top
know I've seen documentaries on top
teams over the years and how they push
teams over the years and how they push
and demand from each other and when bad
and demand from each other and when bad
moments come um
moments come um
saying something and getting something
saying something and getting something
off your chest that you feel can
off your chest that you feel can
actually help the situation. Um
actually help the situation Um
so I think the other night that was
so I think the other night that was
needed because at 2-0 we should have
needed because at 2-0 we should have
went on to win the game. We know the
went on to win the game We know the
position we're in. Um, but like I said,
position we're in Um but like I said
we've all just come in this morning and
we've all just come in this morning and
you know, we're men, you know, we shook
you know we're men you know we shook
hands the other night. It was
hands the other night It was
disappointing. It was it was not nice,
disappointing It was it was not nice
but we've come in now. We're ready to go
but we've come in now We're ready to go
for Spurs. So,
for Spurs So
and what would you say about
and what would you say about
like form in general at the moment? Two
like form in general at the moment Two
wins in seven.
wins in seven
Yeah.
Yeah
Like, how do you explain that?
Like how do you explain that
Yeah, it's obviously not looking good on
Yeah it's obviously not looking good on
paper. I think my thing is I've looked
paper I think my thing is I've looked
yesterday at the
yesterday at the
at the results that we've had and the
at the results that we've had and the
goals we've conceded and I think the
goals we've conceded and I think the
goals that we're conceding is we're
goals that we're conceding is we're
self-inflicted goals. Um I could go
self-inflicted goals Um I could go
through so many goals but just where
through so many goals but just where
we'd make a mistake and we give the game
we'd make a mistake and we give the game
back into the opponent whether it's from
back into the opponent whether it's from
like a second phase or like the first
like a second phase or like the first
phase of a corner where we're usually so
phase of a corner where we're usually so
strong.
strong
Yeah. Is that is that letting things
Yeah Is that is that letting things
back in? No, it's not it's not become a
back in No it's not it's not become a
habit because it's it's been our strong
habit because it's it's been our strong
point. You know, our defense has been
point You know our defense has been
incredible. Everyone's in sync from from
incredible Everyone's in sync from from
front to back, but there comes points in
front to back but there comes points in
the season you ain't going to be perfect
the season you ain't going to be perfect
for the whole season. What we was doing
for the whole season What we was doing
at the start of the season,
at the start of the season
there was talks of can they go on to do
there was talks of can they go on to do
clean sheets and there was never any
clean sheets and there was never any
thought of that from us because this is
thought of that from us because this is
the Premier League now. Like you're
the Premier League now Like you're
playing against the best players week in
playing against the best players week in
week out and any team can surprise you.
week out and any team can surprise you
Wolves.
Wolves
like everyone would have thought oh
like everyone would have thought oh
going to win comfortably at Wolves. They
going to win comfortably at Wolves They
have good players. Um, and that's why
have good players Um and that's why
you got to be switched on 24/7 in this
you got to be switched on 24/7 in this
league because you can get hurt at any
league because you can get hurt at any
time.
time
I suppose what a lot of people are
I suppose what a lot of people are
looking at it at the moment and thinking
looking at it at the moment and thinking
because over the last few years you've
because over the last few years you've
not got over the line. Is the weight of
not got over the line Is the weight of
that is the pressure of that playing a
that is the pressure of that playing a
part in the performances and in the
part in the performances and in the
results? What do you think?
results What do you think
Me playing? No. Like this is just
Me playing No Like this is just
another day. It's another game. Like of
another day It's another game Like of
course we're first and outside noise and
course we're first and outside noise and
I've fans from other teams people going
I've fans from other teams people going
to talk it up. We're on our own journey.
to talk it up We're on our own journey
We're on our own path and we fully
We're on our own path and we fully
believe in each other here. We want to
believe in each other here We want to
do it because we've got such a good core
do it because we've got such a good core
group, such quality players now that we
group such quality players now that we
can do it and it shows that then we can
can do it and it shows that then we can
flick a page in terms of people talking
flick a page in terms of people talking
about that mentality. Well, one thing
about that mentality Well one thing
that stuck with me after the Man United
that stuck with me after the Man United
game, the manager talking about look at
game the manager talking about look at
the position that we've earned for
the position that we've earned for
ourselves. We have to enjoy this.
ourselves We have to enjoy this
This might be completely wrong cuz
This might be completely wrong cuz
obviously I'm not inside it. It does
obviously I'm not inside it It does
sometimes feel at the moment like you're
sometimes feel at the moment like you're
not enjoying it. Is that Is that wrong?
not enjoying it Is that Is that wrong
Is it right?
Is it right
No, we enjoy every day. Like every day
No we enjoy every day Like every day
coming in here with these teammates like
coming in here with these teammates like
the manager, the coaching staff, I can
the manager the coaching staff I can
tell you now is it's unreal. Like you
tell you now is it's unreal Like you
enjoy it. Of course you do. This is our
enjoy it Of course you do This is our
job. You know, we're playing for
job You know we're playing for
Arsenal, you know, final the cup, next
Arsenal you know final the cup next
round of the FA Cup, final in the first
round of the FA Cup final in the first
phase of the Champions League, first in
phase of the Champions League first in
the Premier League. So we we need some
the Premier League So we we need some
perspective about where we are, but also
perspective about where we are but also
we need to look a bit bigger to
we need to look a bit bigger to
understand that if we carry on doing
understand that if we carry on doing
what we're doing in terms of the
what we're doing in terms of the
results, it isn't going to last. Uh, so
results it isn't going to last Uh so
it's on us as players to pick that up
it's on us as players to pick that up
because we have it in us to win every
because we have it in us to win every
game. I believe that. I genuinely
game I believe that I genuinely
believe with this group, with this
believe with this group with this
players, what we've done here before, I
players what we've done here before I
can see us,
can see us
we could go on a run and easily win
we could go on a run and easily win
games, but it's on us, you know, it's
games but it's on us you know it's
going to be switched on. You're going to
going to be switched on You're going to
be ready for everything that's thrown at
be ready for everything that's thrown at
you. Um, because that's what's needed
you Um because that's what's needed
for these for these final games. as I
for these for these final games as I
think the manager said after the game,
think the manager said after the game
straight after Wolves, you know, is the
straight after Wolves you know is the
next game the perfect game.
next game the perfect game
100%. I think North London Derby is
100 I think North London Derby is
always special. Um, you know, I've been
always special Um you know I've been
able to play in a few of them now and
able to play in a few of them now and
understand the rivalry, understand, you
understand the rivalry understand you
know, who you're playing up against,
know who you're playing up against
what it means. Um, and yeah, on Sunday
what it means Um and yeah on Sunday
isn't just going to be about football,
isn't just going to be about football
it's going to be about how much you want
it's going to be about how much you want
it as well. you know, you're going away
it as well you know you're going away
to Spurs to have a new manager.
to Spurs to have a new manager
Um, obviously, yeah, they've had loads
Um obviously yeah they've had loads
of injuries, but it's going to be a game
of injuries but it's going to be a game
both of us are going to want to win. Um,
both of us are going to want to win Um
and there'd be a lot of quality on the
and there'd be a lot of quality on the
pitch, but that day is it's all in your
pitch but that day is it's all in your
mind. You know, how much do you really
mind You know how much do you really
want it? And, uh,
want it And uh
yeah, you've got to fight for it. And
yeah you've got to fight for it And
trust me, I want it. So, yeah, we're
trust me I want it So yeah we're
going to be ready. I feel like it's not
going to be ready I feel like it's not
that other games don't suit you, but
that other games don't suit you but
it's kind of your type of match, you
it's kind of your type of match you
know, like a a battle, a fight,
know like a a battle a fight
something you can sort of chuck yourself
something you can sort of chuck yourself
into, lead from the front.
into lead from the front
Yeah.
Yeah
Are they you relish every game, I'm
Are they you relish every game I'm
sure, but you look at this one and
sure but you look at this one and
think, "Yeah,
think Yeah
I'll have a bit of this."
I'll have a bit of this
Yeah, definitely. I think getting to
Yeah definitely I think getting to
play away as well. I've only been able
play away as well I've only been able
to do that once for Arsenal at that
to do that once for Arsenal at that
Spurs stadium. So, look, it's going to
Spurs stadium So look it's going to
be it's going to be tense because
be it's going to be tense because
obviously we're going away today. Like I
obviously we're going away today Like I
said, they got the new manager up. We've
said they got the new manager up We've
got to be ready for everything that's
got to be ready for everything that's
thrown at us and we've got to gain that
thrown at us and we've got to gain that
energy off the crowd, you know, from
energy off the crowd you know from
within. You've got to think every fan in
within You've got to think every fan in
here, other than the Ar fans, you know,
here other than the Ar fans you know
they're trying to beat us today and that
they're trying to beat us today and that
Yeah, you you have to I think, you know,
Yeah you you have to I think you know
you've got to you got to enjoy these
you've got to you got to enjoy these
moments. Um, for sure, but I believe in
moments Um for sure but I believe in
this team. I believe in this squad and I
this team I believe in this squad and I
know what we can do and what we're
know what we can do and what we're
capable of. So, yeah, we're going to be
capable of So yeah we're going to be
ready.
ready
Do you think your the team performance
Do you think your the team performance
in the first game against Spurs was your
in the first game against Spurs was your
best or or maybe maybe your most fluent
best or or maybe maybe your most fluent
performance of the season?
performance of the season
I think it was a really good
I think it was a really good
performance. Um because we we dominated
performance Um because we we dominated
them in every phase of play. The high
them in every phase of play The high
press, you know, mid block, defensive
press you know mid block defensive
block. We really was really good that
block We really was really good that
day. um probably one of our best
day um probably one of our best
performances of the season, but you also
performances of the season but you also
get that extra energy when it's when
get that extra energy when it's when
it's a London derby, when it's Spurs, uh
it's a London derby when it's Spurs uh
when you're at home, it gets spoken
when you're at home it gets spoken
about so much. So, that that result that
about so much So that that result that
day didn't didn't surprise me.
day didn't didn't surprise me
I want to ask you about EZ cuz you
I want to ask you about EZ cuz you
obviously know what it's like being a
obviously know what it's like being a
new player coming in big fee and having
new player coming in big fee and having
to impress. He was unbelievable that
to impress He was unbelievable that
day, but it's probably been more
day but it's probably been more
difficult since. What do you see from
difficult since What do you see from
him? and and how big is that challenge
him and and how big is that challenge
when you when you make the step up? You
when you when you make the step up You
you had a very similar thing.
you had a very similar thing
Yeah, it's a it's a massive step and
Yeah it's a it's a massive step and
he's coped with it amazingly well. Even
he's coped with it amazingly well Even
though it looks like he's not played a
though it looks like he's not played a
lot of game, he has played so many games
lot of game he has played so many games
for us already and he's done amazing for
for us already and he's done amazing for
us and his mindset and the way he
us and his mindset and the way he
trains, the way he looks after his body,
trains the way he looks after his body
um the way he is with the boys. I've
um the way he is with the boys I've
never seen a player settle so quickly
never seen a player settle so quickly
with lads like EZ has done. Um, so
with lads like EZ has done Um so
that's credit to him, but I see his
that's credit to him but I see his
quality every day and
quality every day and
we have a special player on our hands
we have a special player on our hands
and it's it's it's down to us and
and it's it's it's down to us and
obviously down to him to keep getting
obviously down to him to keep getting
the best out of himself because, you
the best out of himself because you
know, he's more than capable of doing
know he's more than capable of doing
anything on a football pitch. Some of
anything on a football pitch Some of
the stuff he does with the ball on a
the stuff he does with the ball on a
pitch, you're just like, how do you even
pitch you're just like how do you even
do that? He just glides with the ball
do that He just glides with the ball
beautifully. So yeah, we need to keep
beautifully So yeah we need to keep
getting the best out of him. You know,
getting the best out of him You know
he's done amazing for us so far. Um, but
he's done amazing for us so far Um but
there's much more to come. It's only his
there's much more to come It's only his
first season, so yeah, much more to
first season so yeah much more to
come. Also wanted to ask you about how
come Also wanted to ask you about how
football has changed, Premier League has
football has changed Premier League has
changed. How much has the league changed
changed How much has the league changed
in the last or even during the course of
in the last or even during the course of
this season?
this season
Yeah, so so so much. I think this is my
Yeah so so so much I think this is my
10th season in the Prem. I would
10th season in the Prem I would
probably say
probably say
this has probably been one of the
this has probably been one of the
probably is the toughest in terms of
probably is the toughest in terms of
that it's been.
that it's been
Do you mean the quality, the
Do you mean the quality the
physicality, both?
physicality both
I I think I think the quality. Yeah, I
I I think I think the quality Yeah I
think a lot of people have an opinion
think a lot of people have an opinion
that the Prem is not where is the Prem
that the Prem is not where is the Prem
is not where it's at at the minute. But
is not where it's at at the minute But
you could ask any player in the Premier
you could ask any player in the Premier
League, they'll tell you the opposite. I
League they'll tell you the opposite I
think a lot of people the game has
think a lot of people the game has
changed in terms of probably
changed in terms of probably
physicality, jewels, set pieces, trying
physicality jewels set pieces trying
to gain an advantage wherever you can.
to gain an advantage wherever you can
Yeah,
Yeah
that that's that's where that's where
that that's that's where that's where
it's changed. And in terms of the
it's changed And in terms of the
quality, every time you play against a
quality every time you play against a
team now, every team's got two or three,
team now every team's got two or three
four players who have world class
four players who have world class
ability and are very good and on their
ability and are very good and on their
day, if you're not switched on, they can
day if you're not switched on they can
punish you. Um, so this year's not been
punish you Um so this year's not been
easy. It's not been a walk in the park.
easy It's not been a walk in the park
You know, we've done really well because
You know we've done really well because
as a collective, our 11 starters, the
as a collective our 11 starters the
players that have come off the bench
players that have come off the bench
have all chipped in and helped us with
have all chipped in and helped us with
goals in the moment. Um,
goals in the moment Um
so yeah, I think that's why it's it's
so yeah I think that's why it's it's
been tough, but the Premier League is uh
been tough but the Premier League is uh
it's definitely changing.
it's definitely changing
And Sunday will be your hundth Premier
And Sunday will be your hundth Premier
League appearance for Arsenal. I mean,
League appearance for Arsenal I mean
firstly, that's gone quick, hasn't it?
firstly that's gone quick hasn't it
But also in so many ways in the way
But also in so many ways in the way
you've progressed, become, I think, a
you've progressed become I think a
more versatile player.
more versatile player
um talked about whenever there's
um talked about whenever there's
discussions about the best player in
discussions about the best player in
your position. Do you feel like in so
your position Do you feel like in so
many ways it's just gone, you know, as
many ways it's just gone you know as
well as it could have done really?
well as it could have done really
Yeah, definitely. I think um
Yeah definitely I think um
I've just tried to work as hard as hard
I've just tried to work as hard as hard
as I can and give it everything I've
as I can and give it everything I've
got. I watched a good podcast of like
got I watched a good podcast of like
Steven Gerrard um with Rio Ferdinand the
Steven Gerrard um with Rio Ferdinand the
other week and he was just talking about
other week and he was just talking about
himself as a midfielder and like what he
himself as a midfielder and like what he
was and he just he didn't put him down
was and he just he didn't put him down
to like one thing. He just said he's a
to like one thing He just said he's a
midfielder that could have done a bit of
midfielder that could have done a bit of
everything, but he was the best at doing
everything but he was the best at doing
everything. And I think he's someone
everything And I think he's someone
that I love to look up to and look look
that I love to look up to and look look
forward to. Um, just because of how he
forward to Um just because of how he
was on the pitch, his demeanor, how he
was on the pitch his demeanor how he
took games by the scruff of the neck,
took games by the scruff of the neck
the fight he showed, the passion. Um,
the fight he showed the passion Um
and over the years I've tried to watch
and over the years I've tried to watch
him as much as possible. And I think
him as much as possible And I think
I've started to grow into that much
I've started to grow into that much
more. Still, uh, a long way off before I
more Still uh a long way off before I
hit his level. Um but yeah, I think he's
hit his level Um but yeah I think he's
someone I've really tried to emulate
someone I've really tried to emulate
since I've moved into this boxto-box
since I've moved into this boxto-box
role and
role and
it's really he's really helped me. So um
it's really he's really helped me So um
yeah, I want to keep going. 100 games
yeah I want to keep going 100 games
for Arsenal in the Premier League is,
for Arsenal in the Premier League is
you know, special. Uh so yeah, I'm
you know special Uh so yeah I'm
really happy.
really happy
And you know what? I think back to all
And you know what I think back to all
the interviews I've done with you over
the interviews I've done with you over
the years and you've always said there's
the years and you've always said there's
much more to come and you've been right.
much more to come and you've been right
And do you still feel that?
And do you still feel that
Yeah, 100%. And I think every year when
Yeah 100 And I think every year when
the season ends, I look at myself and I
the season ends I look at myself and I
think where can you my well my dad used
think where can you my well my dad used
to say it to me. How are you going to
to say it to me How are you going to
get how you going to get better again?
get how you going to get better again
Like how are you not going to stall that
Like how are you not going to stall that
other people go past you? You know, you
other people go past you You know you
need to have this mindset that you're
need to have this mindset that you're
just going to keep getting better and
just going to keep getting better and
better. And I think consistency plays a
better And I think consistency plays a
massive part in my game. Um knowing how
massive part in my game Um knowing how
to play well, knowing when to do the
to play well knowing when to do the
right things, right? So yeah, look, I
right things right So yeah look I
think there is much more to come from
think there is much more to come from
me. I think this season's been amazing.
me I think this season's been amazing
still so so much more football to be
still so so much more football to be
played. Um, but I do think I can still
played Um but I do think I can still
go to more levels. So, yeah, exciting
go to more levels So yeah exciting
times to come.
times to come
And very lastly, we sort of said it's
And very lastly we sort of said it's
gone almost perfectly. I mean, we know
gone almost perfectly I mean we know
the one thing to add, don't we? It's the
the one thing to add don't we It's the
trophies.
trophies
Yeah, 100%. Um, I think that that's what
Yeah 100 Um I think that that's what
we all want as players. That's what the
we all want as players That's what the
manager wants. I think we're we're so
manager wants I think we're we're so
driven and hungry to try and win
driven and hungry to try and win
something. I think if you come in and
something I think if you come in and
see us, you know, there's a group of
see us you know there's a group of
boys here that,
boys here that
like I said, the mindset's changed in
like I said the mindset's changed in
terms of we know what we want and we
terms of we know what we want and we
know we're in a great position to go and
know we're in a great position to go and
do it, but it's on us. So, a big fight
do it but it's on us So a big fight
coming up over the next two, three
coming up over the next two three
months, but one we're going to relish.
months but one we're going to relish
Good man. Top man.
Good man Top man
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