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Pep, thanks so much for joining us

Pep thanks so much for joining us

today. First of all, huge

today First of all huge

congratulations on reaching yet another

final. Just how much are you enjoying

final Just how much are you enjoying

and what are you enjoying about this

season in particular?

season in particular

Well, it's not a a flat season. There

Well it's not a a flat season There

are bumpings, good and w, but it's

are bumpings good and w but it's

normally defined today the the seasons.

normally defined today the the seasons

Up next, Anfield at the weekend. You

Up next Anfield at the weekend You

don't have much of a chance to reflect

on that before straight to the next

game. I wanted to go at this more from a

game I wanted to go at this more from a

tactical viewpoint because I think when

you watch Liverpool Manchester City over

the years they've always brought some of

the most interesting tactical battles.

the most interesting tactical battles

If we go back to your early days Klopp

Guardiola that battle what do you

remember from those early matches facing

some of those? so tough, so difficult

some of those so tough so difficult

for both sides and it was so tight

seasons and and competitions that was

yeah it was

I would say really good in in in many

things and I think I think both teams

helped to the Premier League be a better

place so that I don't have any doubt. So

place so that I don't have any doubt So

both we were proactive both try to to

you know to make the fans and the

football you know enjoyable and I think

we did it. What was it tactically that

we did it What was it tactically that

made them really good matchups when you

think about

how those could stay two two hours

talking many things happened so everyone

his own style

but reflecting that both teams you

remember you know Fino Salas Manz and

and Hendersons and

and Fabinhos and you know the prime from

Robertson and and and

Alexander Van in our Kevin and David

Silvas and Fernandinhos and aos and you

know have been

companies and have been have been an

unbelievable you know generational

players on both sides are making

incredible teams.

incredible teams

I was looking back at some of the the

results the 5-nil in 2017 and then the

4-3 when Liverpool won in in 2018 and it

felt like the styles really summed up

particularly in those early days of you

playing obviously the more possession

based and they very full throttle and

the intensity. Do you think that's what

the intensity Do you think that's what

made the battles so good that you were

bringing together these different

styles?

styles

Yeah, in a traditional game and

Yeah in a traditional game and

everything quick, they destroy us and

everything quick they destroy us and

you cannot bring more a game in our

rhythm. We were we could be more closer

rhythm We were we could be more closer

to win but it was not easy because his

high pressing his in his structure to

defend was unbelievable. was really

defend was unbelievable was really

really but really really really good and

uh and and that's why

that's why uh define football you know

there's no one system there's no way

there is not that is the best way to do

because tomorrow you will not win that

way it's just what you believe and

football is nice because there are

different styles different ways to

approach always with the intention to

win and that's why football is so rich

so open so entertaining because it's not

all the time the um you know way and

that is so nice.

that is so nice

If we bring it up to the modern day a

lot of people talk now about yours and

arteta's relationship and the kind of

rivalry that's forming between the two

teams. Does it feel like that's the new

teams Does it feel like that's the new

dynamic? It was Manchester City

dynamic It was Manchester City

Liverpool now it's Man City and Arsenal.

Liverpool now it's Man City and Arsenal

Well, no matter there are rivalries that

Well no matter there are rivalries that

always are there, you know, you know,

always are there you know you know

Liverpool United, United City or Sports

Liverpool United United City or Sports

against Arsenals or, you know, the local

against Arsenals or you know the local

there is it happened and after that the

we are in the top

so we have been believable with both of

us were the true race horses you know to

win the the Premier Leagues and now

Arsenal in the last years have been

involved there and of course the rivalry

can be there and important is try to be

all the time there

you know to to be part of that that rise

and

you're still very much in that race this

season.

season

Uh 14 games to play.

Uh 14 games to play

Yeah. Many things going to happen.

Yeah Many things going to happen

Artetta was talking recently about this

season in particular in the tactics and

he said the space on the pitch just

isn't there anymore. He said any game

isn't there anymore He said any game

plans from two or three years ago. Just

plans from two or three years ago Just

throw them in the bin. It doesn't make

throw them in the bin It doesn't make

sense anymore. Would you agree with

sense anymore Would you agree with

that?

that

Some.

Some

Some?

Some

No.

What parts do you agree with?

What parts do you agree with

The spaces are there.

The spaces are there

It isn't there.

It isn't there

As there. Yeah,

As there Yeah

they are there but in a different way.

they are there but in a different way

Would you say

but they definitely more marking they're

more aggressive before it was more zonal

they were more you know but if you do

the process well always the spaces are

there

so you said that it used to be more

zonal and now it's more man marking how

does that change how you have to think

about the game

you know it's through the years so years

years ago 18 or 17s it's a lot m

markings and after rigoakosaki

appear

in the world football and change a

revolutionary and make everyone 4 foot2

or 41 zonal marking the spaces and after

that was a mix the places that my

marking after seeing the blocks and

today the influence in the in the set

pieces became really important when

before in the early ages when I start I

remember nobody pay attention so and

that is a process that the people yeah

is going to change another way that's

the history of football you know false

nine and after no false nine and now

were strikers and

So football it depends of your quality

especially your feelings as a manager

you are you want to do your team play

and and everything is fine especially

for the teams they win right and they

win you say oh that is the future that

is I remember when you play world cups

on on European national teams and the

team who wins the world cup has the

football has must be play like win

Germany Germany or Italy had to play

like Italy so always you want to be copy

paste for the last team wins that is a

big mistake

win but tomorrow will not win because

nobody wins all the time. So only I can

nobody wins all the time So only I can

think I can do is the way you you

believe

uh the best way to play well the best

way to win games with you is what you

have to do. So it has to be the constant

have to do So it has to be the constant

evolution football runs.

evolution football runs

Absolutely. Otherwise before imagine

Absolutely Otherwise before imagine

play right now the same football like

70s 80s and 90s. So it's changing

70s 80s and 90s So it's changing

because the methodology changing the

the care of the players are

unbelievable. We have already seven

unbelievable We have already seven

doctors when you have one you have I

don't know how many physotherapist and

before you have one and the people is

more physical strong and faster and

quicker and by the end the pitch is the

same. If you play better you have more

same If you play better you have more

chance to win. You've said before you

chance to win You've said before you

won't change your beliefs and there's

been a lot of talk, hasn't there, this

been a lot of talk hasn't there this

season about Manchester City being more

transitional and more direct, but would

transitional and more direct but would

you say that the basis is still the

exact same? You're just exploiting that

exact same You're just exploiting that

space more because of what you mentioned

there, the man.

there the man

Listen, when when when a team plays m

Listen when when when a team plays m

marking

that that means is m marking is up the

pitch and you break that line. You have

pitch and you break that line You have

to tick.

to tick

So, it's just the response to what's

So it's just the response to what's

happening in in the league.

happening in in the league

Yeah. Absolutely. You have to respond to

Yeah Absolutely You have to respond to

the way they defend. If they play high,

the way they defend If they play high

you have to die quicker. If they block

you have to die quicker If they block

lower, you have to defend more more

lower you have to defend more more

patient. So,

patient So

is this the biggest shift you've seen in

your time in the Premier League, do you

your time in the Premier League do you

think?

think

I would say yeah, for the first season

I would say yeah for the first season

mark was not [snorts] much aggressive

mark was not snorts much aggressive

always have been in the Premier League.

always have been in the Premier League

Yeah. But yeah, most of the teams now

Yeah But yeah most of the teams now

have courage to to go for you and and do

it. But always they antidoted for that.

it But always they antidoted for that

Always any system have is antidoted.

Always any system have is antidoted

They are not

unbeatable

because then even the system have a

human beings the human beings has a

problem in their minds and the football

players and the problems with the

managers maybe and and they are not as

stable that was maybe month ago. So

stable that was maybe month ago So

every shift the same player that four

years ago is not the same right now in a

good bad way. So that's why that plays

good bad way So that's why that plays

make an influence in the performance of

the team. So that's why it's it's not so

the team So that's why it's it's not so

simple that they play mino everything is

one way or the other way. No, many many

one way or the other way No many many

things change.

things change

So, a lot of it is dependent on how they

So a lot of it is dependent on how they

defend. You said recently, tell me how

defend You said recently tell me how

my opponent is going to defend and I'll

decide how I'm going to attack. So, is

decide how I'm going to attack So is

that more true this season than ever?

that more true this season than ever

You're having to respond to those

challenges.

challenges

No, the way I Yeah, the way I'm going to

No the way I Yeah the way I'm going to

attack is the way to defend of course

and your quality of your teams, the

and your quality of your teams the

shape you're going to attack, but after

shape you're going to attack but after

if you dribble one opening

is the system. If you don't dribble, the

is the system If you don't dribble the

system is over. [laughter] So at the end

system is over laughter So at the end

defense is the cross is good the system

is good and the [laughter] cross is bad

is good and the laughter cross is bad

you have to change. So and and of course

you have to change So and and of course

the way to defend you can do marking it

and depends of depends how they move and

is marking. It depends you know in your

is marking It depends you know in your

your position.

your position

Has it changed the type of players that

you want to go for that you want to

bring into your team particularly in

terms of ball carriers?

terms of ball carriers

I love the team I have because the club

decide to bring that players. So I give

decide to bring that players So I give

my opinion but at the end it's a club

who decide had to bring the players all

have been like that. But do you think

have been like that But do you think

for example how we look at a good winger

nowadays is different to maybe a few

years or a few seasons ago

by the wingers? Yeah. No, the wingers

by the wingers Yeah No the wingers

normally is fast dribbles and score

goals in the far post and uh you know

maybe the physicality of the wingers are

stronger and

so it's more physical now.

so it's more physical now

I don't know but you know to put an

example this type of wingers there are

more of that right now I would say.

more of that right now I would say

And are you enjoying the challenge? Are

And are you enjoying the challenge Are

you enjoying the new challenges that

every year this league brings? Because

every year this league brings Because

you're such an established manager,

you're such an established manager

aren't you? You've won everything in the

aren't you You've won everything in the

game. Is this what keeps you going and

game Is this what keeps you going and

keeps you ticking?

keeps you ticking

Yeah, I like it still to be here. I like

Yeah I like it still to be here I like

the challenge to, you know, to challenge

the challenge to you know to challenge

the opponents and try to arrive

in the last stages being the best.

in the last stages being the best

Yeah, I like it.

Yeah I like it

Those are things that keep you up at

night thinking about the solutions and

how different.

how different

Yeah, that's why I'm here that we are

Yeah that's why I'm here that we are

here. I don't know the other manager. I

here I don't know the other manager I

speak for myself, but of course you want

speak for myself but of course you want

to open and face this kind of things.

to open and face this kind of things

What can we do to do it? Yeah,

What can we do to do it Yeah

definitely.

definitely

I spoke to Harlem recently about his

favorite Premier League goals and he

said he pointed out the one Brighton

when Edison put the ball straight in. It

when Edison put the ball straight in It

was really direct and he said actually

about that not the perfect pep goal but

it shows how Pep can adapt. Would you

it shows how Pep can adapt Would you

agree with that?

agree with that

But this example what I say that

Brighton was manto man in that moment

right and we have the quality of the

Ederson for the long passes why you

cannot do it if you don't have ES maybe

you cannot do it and you don't have

Erling you cannot do it. So it depends

Erling you cannot do it So it depends

if the the opponents depend four in five

in the back in the band you don't have

to do it. So at the end it's not about

to do it So at the end it's not about

uh you know the the you have to adapt

the quality of the players and and and

and

the example I I I said to you right now

and especially how the opponents defend.

and especially how the opponents defend

Do you like seeing that kind of goal or

you don't really care as long as the

ball goes in the back of the net? Yeah,

ball goes in the back of the net Yeah

of course I like it.

of course I like it

Yeah,

Yeah

of course. Yeah,

of course Yeah

but it feels like a a positive shift

then for this this year in particular.

then for this this year in particular

No, not agree with you.

No not agree with you

No,

no, because we did it with Aguero with

no because we did it with Aguero with

against Huddersfield years ago. The ball

against Huddersfield years ago The ball

against Huddersfield for Ederson with

Aguero and it's the same when the moment

said oh the ball possession slow boring

games and the other one always you can

do it because there are moments there

are moments in the when they defend that

you can do it.

you can do it

So you can learn about what's coming

next in football by looking back. Is

next in football by looking back Is

that what you're saying?

that what you're saying

Yeah, listen the the vintage things are

Yeah listen the the vintage things are

always are the best. [laughter]

always are the best laughter

Thank you very much. You're very

Thank you very much You're very

welcome.

welcome

Pep, thanks so much for joining us

Pep thanks so much for joining us

today. First of all, huge

today First of all huge

congratulations on reaching yet another

final. Just how much are you enjoying

final Just how much are you enjoying

and what are you enjoying about this

season in particular?

season in particular

Well, it's not a a flat season. There

Well it's not a a flat season There

are bumpings, good and w, but it's

are bumpings good and w but it's

normally defined today the the seasons.

normally defined today the the seasons

Up next, Anfield at the weekend. You

Up next Anfield at the weekend You

don't have much of a chance to reflect

on that before straight to the next

game. I wanted to go at this more from a

game I wanted to go at this more from a

tactical viewpoint because I think when

you watch Liverpool Manchester City over

the years they've always brought some of

the most interesting tactical battles.

the most interesting tactical battles

If we go back to your early days Klopp

Guardiola that battle what do you

remember from those early matches facing

some of those? so tough, so difficult

some of those so tough so difficult

for both sides and it was so tight

seasons and and competitions that was

yeah it was

I would say really good in in in many

things and I think I think both teams

helped to the Premier League be a better

place so that I don't have any doubt. So

place so that I don't have any doubt So

both we were proactive both try to to

you know to make the fans and the

football you know enjoyable and I think

we did it. What was it tactically that

we did it What was it tactically that

made them really good matchups when you

think about

how those could stay two two hours

talking many things happened so everyone

his own style

but reflecting that both teams you

remember you know Fino Salas Manz and

and Hendersons and

and Fabinhos and you know the prime from

Robertson and and and

Alexander Van in our Kevin and David

Silvas and Fernandinhos and aos and you

know have been

companies and have been have been an

unbelievable you know generational

players on both sides are making

incredible teams.

incredible teams

I was looking back at some of the the

results the 5-nil in 2017 and then the

4-3 when Liverpool won in in 2018 and it

felt like the styles really summed up

particularly in those early days of you

playing obviously the more possession

based and they very full throttle and

the intensity. Do you think that's what

the intensity Do you think that's what

made the battles so good that you were

bringing together these different

styles?

styles

Yeah, in a traditional game and

Yeah in a traditional game and

everything quick, they destroy us and

everything quick they destroy us and

you cannot bring more a game in our

rhythm. We were we could be more closer

rhythm We were we could be more closer

to win but it was not easy because his

high pressing his in his structure to

defend was unbelievable. was really

defend was unbelievable was really

really but really really really good and

uh and and that's why

that's why uh define football you know

there's no one system there's no way

there is not that is the best way to do

because tomorrow you will not win that

way it's just what you believe and

football is nice because there are

different styles different ways to

approach always with the intention to

win and that's why football is so rich

so open so entertaining because it's not

all the time the um you know way and

that is so nice.

that is so nice

If we bring it up to the modern day a

lot of people talk now about yours and

arteta's relationship and the kind of

rivalry that's forming between the two

teams. Does it feel like that's the new

teams Does it feel like that's the new

dynamic? It was Manchester City

dynamic It was Manchester City

Liverpool now it's Man City and Arsenal.

Liverpool now it's Man City and Arsenal

Well, no matter there are rivalries that

Well no matter there are rivalries that

always are there, you know, you know,

always are there you know you know

Liverpool United, United City or Sports

Liverpool United United City or Sports

against Arsenals or, you know, the local

against Arsenals or you know the local

there is it happened and after that the

we are in the top

so we have been believable with both of

us were the true race horses you know to

win the the Premier Leagues and now

Arsenal in the last years have been

involved there and of course the rivalry

can be there and important is try to be

all the time there

you know to to be part of that that rise

and

you're still very much in that race this

season.

season

Uh 14 games to play.

Uh 14 games to play

Yeah. Many things going to happen.

Yeah Many things going to happen

Artetta was talking recently about this

season in particular in the tactics and

he said the space on the pitch just

isn't there anymore. He said any game

isn't there anymore He said any game

plans from two or three years ago. Just

plans from two or three years ago Just

throw them in the bin. It doesn't make

throw them in the bin It doesn't make

sense anymore. Would you agree with

sense anymore Would you agree with

that?

that

Some.

Some

Some?

Some

No.

What parts do you agree with?

What parts do you agree with

The spaces are there.

The spaces are there

It isn't there.

It isn't there

As there. Yeah,

As there Yeah

they are there but in a different way.

they are there but in a different way

Would you say

but they definitely more marking they're

more aggressive before it was more zonal

they were more you know but if you do

the process well always the spaces are

there

so you said that it used to be more

zonal and now it's more man marking how

does that change how you have to think

about the game

you know it's through the years so years

years ago 18 or 17s it's a lot m

markings and after rigoakosaki

appear

in the world football and change a

revolutionary and make everyone 4 foot2

or 41 zonal marking the spaces and after

that was a mix the places that my

marking after seeing the blocks and

today the influence in the in the set

pieces became really important when

before in the early ages when I start I

remember nobody pay attention so and

that is a process that the people yeah

is going to change another way that's

the history of football you know false

nine and after no false nine and now

were strikers and

So football it depends of your quality

especially your feelings as a manager

you are you want to do your team play

and and everything is fine especially

for the teams they win right and they

win you say oh that is the future that

is I remember when you play world cups

on on European national teams and the

team who wins the world cup has the

football has must be play like win

Germany Germany or Italy had to play

like Italy so always you want to be copy

paste for the last team wins that is a

big mistake

win but tomorrow will not win because

nobody wins all the time. So only I can

nobody wins all the time So only I can

think I can do is the way you you

believe

uh the best way to play well the best

way to win games with you is what you

have to do. So it has to be the constant

have to do So it has to be the constant

evolution football runs.

evolution football runs

Absolutely. Otherwise before imagine

Absolutely Otherwise before imagine

play right now the same football like

70s 80s and 90s. So it's changing

70s 80s and 90s So it's changing

because the methodology changing the

the care of the players are

unbelievable. We have already seven

unbelievable We have already seven

doctors when you have one you have I

don't know how many physotherapist and

before you have one and the people is

more physical strong and faster and

quicker and by the end the pitch is the

same. If you play better you have more

same If you play better you have more

chance to win. You've said before you

chance to win You've said before you

won't change your beliefs and there's

been a lot of talk, hasn't there, this

been a lot of talk hasn't there this

season about Manchester City being more

transitional and more direct, but would

transitional and more direct but would

you say that the basis is still the

exact same? You're just exploiting that

exact same You're just exploiting that

space more because of what you mentioned

there, the man.

there the man

Listen, when when when a team plays m

Listen when when when a team plays m

marking

that that means is m marking is up the

pitch and you break that line. You have

pitch and you break that line You have

to tick.

to tick

So, it's just the response to what's

So it's just the response to what's

happening in in the league.

happening in in the league

Yeah. Absolutely. You have to respond to

Yeah Absolutely You have to respond to

the way they defend. If they play high,

the way they defend If they play high

you have to die quicker. If they block

you have to die quicker If they block

lower, you have to defend more more

lower you have to defend more more

patient. So,

patient So

is this the biggest shift you've seen in

your time in the Premier League, do you

your time in the Premier League do you

think?

think

I would say yeah, for the first season

I would say yeah for the first season

mark was not [snorts] much aggressive

mark was not snorts much aggressive

always have been in the Premier League.

always have been in the Premier League

Yeah. But yeah, most of the teams now

Yeah But yeah most of the teams now

have courage to to go for you and and do

it. But always they antidoted for that.

it But always they antidoted for that

Always any system have is antidoted.

Always any system have is antidoted

They are not

unbeatable

because then even the system have a

human beings the human beings has a

problem in their minds and the football

players and the problems with the

managers maybe and and they are not as

stable that was maybe month ago. So

stable that was maybe month ago So

every shift the same player that four

years ago is not the same right now in a

good bad way. So that's why that plays

good bad way So that's why that plays

make an influence in the performance of

the team. So that's why it's it's not so

the team So that's why it's it's not so

simple that they play mino everything is

one way or the other way. No, many many

one way or the other way No many many

things change.

things change

So, a lot of it is dependent on how they

So a lot of it is dependent on how they

defend. You said recently, tell me how

defend You said recently tell me how

my opponent is going to defend and I'll

decide how I'm going to attack. So, is

decide how I'm going to attack So is

that more true this season than ever?

that more true this season than ever

You're having to respond to those

challenges.

challenges

No, the way I Yeah, the way I'm going to

No the way I Yeah the way I'm going to

attack is the way to defend of course

and your quality of your teams, the

and your quality of your teams the

shape you're going to attack, but after

shape you're going to attack but after

if you dribble one opening

is the system. If you don't dribble, the

is the system If you don't dribble the

system is over. [laughter] So at the end

system is over laughter So at the end

defense is the cross is good the system

is good and the [laughter] cross is bad

is good and the laughter cross is bad

you have to change. So and and of course

you have to change So and and of course

the way to defend you can do marking it

and depends of depends how they move and

is marking. It depends you know in your

is marking It depends you know in your

your position.

your position

Has it changed the type of players that

you want to go for that you want to

bring into your team particularly in

terms of ball carriers?

terms of ball carriers

I love the team I have because the club

decide to bring that players. So I give

decide to bring that players So I give

my opinion but at the end it's a club

who decide had to bring the players all

have been like that. But do you think

have been like that But do you think

for example how we look at a good winger

nowadays is different to maybe a few

years or a few seasons ago

by the wingers? Yeah. No, the wingers

by the wingers Yeah No the wingers

normally is fast dribbles and score

goals in the far post and uh you know

maybe the physicality of the wingers are

stronger and

so it's more physical now.

so it's more physical now

I don't know but you know to put an

example this type of wingers there are

more of that right now I would say.

more of that right now I would say

And are you enjoying the challenge? Are

And are you enjoying the challenge Are

you enjoying the new challenges that

every year this league brings? Because

every year this league brings Because

you're such an established manager,

you're such an established manager

aren't you? You've won everything in the

aren't you You've won everything in the

game. Is this what keeps you going and

game Is this what keeps you going and

keeps you ticking?

keeps you ticking

Yeah, I like it still to be here. I like

Yeah I like it still to be here I like

the challenge to, you know, to challenge

the challenge to you know to challenge

the opponents and try to arrive

in the last stages being the best.

in the last stages being the best

Yeah, I like it.

Yeah I like it

Those are things that keep you up at

night thinking about the solutions and

how different.

how different

Yeah, that's why I'm here that we are

Yeah that's why I'm here that we are

here. I don't know the other manager. I

here I don't know the other manager I

speak for myself, but of course you want

speak for myself but of course you want

to open and face this kind of things.

to open and face this kind of things

What can we do to do it? Yeah,

What can we do to do it Yeah

definitely.

definitely

I spoke to Harlem recently about his

favorite Premier League goals and he

said he pointed out the one Brighton

when Edison put the ball straight in. It

when Edison put the ball straight in It

was really direct and he said actually

about that not the perfect pep goal but

it shows how Pep can adapt. Would you

it shows how Pep can adapt Would you

agree with that?

agree with that

But this example what I say that

Brighton was manto man in that moment

right and we have the quality of the

Ederson for the long passes why you

cannot do it if you don't have ES maybe

you cannot do it and you don't have

Erling you cannot do it. So it depends

Erling you cannot do it So it depends

if the the opponents depend four in five

in the back in the band you don't have

to do it. So at the end it's not about

to do it So at the end it's not about

uh you know the the you have to adapt

the quality of the players and and and

and

the example I I I said to you right now

and especially how the opponents defend.

and especially how the opponents defend

Do you like seeing that kind of goal or

you don't really care as long as the

ball goes in the back of the net? Yeah,

ball goes in the back of the net Yeah

of course I like it.

of course I like it

Yeah,

Yeah

of course. Yeah,

of course Yeah

but it feels like a a positive shift

then for this this year in particular.

then for this this year in particular

No, not agree with you.

No not agree with you

No,

no, because we did it with Aguero with

no because we did it with Aguero with

against Huddersfield years ago. The ball

against Huddersfield years ago The ball

against Huddersfield for Ederson with

Aguero and it's the same when the moment

said oh the ball possession slow boring

games and the other one always you can

do it because there are moments there

are moments in the when they defend that

you can do it.

you can do it

So you can learn about what's coming

next in football by looking back. Is

next in football by looking back Is

that what you're saying?

that what you're saying

Yeah, listen the the vintage things are

Yeah listen the the vintage things are

always are the best. [laughter]

always are the best laughter

Thank you very much. You're very

Thank you very much You're very

welcome.

welcome

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